Hmm, we have a longBOW, recurveBOW, compound BOW, yet a crossBOW ain't a bow?

longBOW gotta draw it in the presence of game, propels an arrow via stored energy in the limbs

recurve BOW gotta draw it in the presence of game, propels an arrow via stored energy in the limbs

compound BOW gotta draw it in the presence of game, propels an arrow via stored energy in the limbs

crossBOW propels an arrow via stored energy in the limbs but is ****ed and ready to go, has a stock and can be shot from a rest

gun ****ed and ready to go. Propels a bullet through rapid burning of a powder, has a stock and can be shot from a rest


It doesnt fit with any othe bow and it doesnt fit with the guns either. It is it's own unique weapon. Why is it such a bad thing to want it treated as a different weapon from either?

Crossbows are for the disabled and people that are too lazy to learn how to hunt with a real bow.
Make it a challenge...give x-guns their own season in February.

LOL gotta love the profanity filter on here!!!!!

I've seen all kinds of language here that got through and when I use the word

c o c k e d

to describe a weapon on a hunting board it gets deleted.

Psssstttt, if you happen to post about a pheasant hunt, make sure you say ROOSTER LOL!!!

BTB I always thought it was you guys starring out the words. Auto filter

She is a special needs child.Pike

The reason boilermaker doesnt answer my question is because he has no clue as of why! I guess crossbow hunters are just as lazy when it comes to learning about the quarry they hunt. Pike

Mr. Boilermaker,
If you had any clue to how much work goes into getting a dog to his master hunting title you would definitely not get into upland game for the reason that it takes alot of time and alot of money to train a dog such as the one in my avatar.And also- you must be more intelligent than the dog which may set the bar too high resulting in failure before you start. His purpose from day one of the creation of his breed was to hunt. Some people's purpose in life was striclty intended for slaughter or to feed other predators on the food chain and the lazy fall into this category. I am glad that disabled pic got under your skin enough to respond. My intent was to bring to the surface your deep rooted feelings of how you don't measure up to what a true archer is therefore needing to even things up by using a weapon that was until this year reserved for the handicapped. Take pride in opting out for the easier method and make sure you pass this onto your children so that my children can end up supporting them as I now support those who want what others have but are too lazy to work to get it by the same means. Enjoy!

Since I am changing my avatar today here is a picture of skilled hunter.

Lol wrong again!
 

I HAVE A LAB THATS 6 AND A GERMAN SHORTHAIR THATS ONE! YOUR JUST BATTING A THOUSAND! ARENT YA. LOL:hit:

If you gotta talk it and display it, you ain't got it my friend. Your type have never scared anyone off and obviously your rants about maniliness and holier than thou woodsmanship claims, and woods ownership made no impression here and obviously no impression in the decision of the BOC. That is all that counts! The BOC. Cast aspersions all over threm mountains and start fights in the bars and sporting goods stores, your vote and hard ass ways didn't count enough to make a difference in the BOC decision. So if you want to lay blame, point fingers look to the guys that voted not the hunters using Xbows. It is obvious that your cave man rants and threats your attitude towards other hunting styles and selfish claim to all the woods doesn't amount to a hill of beans in the majorities eyes. Even your 90% of the people that responded claim did nada, so some other majority has spoken, or the majority of some 900K+ hunters didn't feel threatened by sharing the woods enough to care about sharing and inclusion. Using that logic, not a low number from some 90% of people who responded, it made sense to the BOC to make a positive change for the inclusion of Xbow to PA hunting and starting a new hunting heritage. Over, done and out! I'm hunting w/ Xbow!

Very well spoken mr.buck hunter good luck this season! And i appologize for all the "antis" here!

Dad gone, your doing everything you can this year to convince yourself. Man, its so obvious its sad.

go hug a tree!

You always let someone else talk for you?

What you talkin bout willis?

Go hug a tree? I generally strap myself to a tree when I bowhunt. What do you do when you arrowgun hunt?

Lol i havent done it yet? Im forced to hunt on the ground no climbing till i heal up! Wifes orders. Lol

Buck Hunter 1
PLEASE tell me you are not so naive to believe hunter sentiment has anything to do with BOC decisions!!!! It shows you are an Out Of Stater to express such confidence in things you know so little about. We who are Pa residents and have followed and witnessed how PAGC policies impacted our game populations had absolutely no desire to have a new weapon implemented. The only demographics which showed a majority support for xbow inclusion was by those who had profit to gain- Manufacturers and the PAGC itself. As far as your opinion that this inclusion is a "positive" change this is a statement with no relative experience to back it up. Pa is not Ohio or any of the other state where Xbows are legal. Our state is unique and our deer population is so low that any change will have a greater impact than in areas where there are many more deer and many fewer hunters such as in Ohio. I love this statement... As far as "starting a new hunting heritage" you don't create a new hunting heritage, you preserve hunting heritage. Heritage implies "tradition" if you mean the new tradition of the PAGC BOC is tell the hunters to take a "flying leap" because they don't give a s#1+ what the majority of hunters want and they will always do what profits them most immediately than you support anything but tradition, heritage, pride and a sense of responsibility to those who the PAGC is supposed to be working for. In short you support policy that benefits few while impacting many others. hmmm where do we see that type of thinking??? Left Wing Liberal!

At least you have the steelers man. Its not a wash? Now get out there with the boys and drop a forkhorn like only pa guys know how!

Once again... Do you always let someone else do the talking for you. Maybe that's for the best since you haven't contributed anything of validity or worth,
Those who are less than intelligent should keep their mouths shut so that they may be perceived as intelligent instead of opening their mouths and removing all doubt.

Dont hate the player! Hate the game!

You are making my point for me.

4evrhtn, you make the point! Because the rules were followed, not your bitchin and moaning about some 90% of some number who responded. The discussions were held it was passed. Now you are conspiracy theorizing about money and not listening. They did listen, you couldn't prove your point to the exclusion of Xbow. Period end. You don't like it change the system, don't attack the hunter.As far as PA blood hell I wore black and gold diapers my friend. I am from Pittsburgh, and recently transferred to Ohio. You lost, go get it back using the proper voting or using some legal channels that maybe your selfish points of view are heard . Because they (BOC) didn't vote your way they obviously were payed off , huh? Just that attack tactics that probably pissed em' off enough to vote against your little 90% of some number who cared ot respond bow organization. So now let's attack the hunters them selves, man that will get you a lot of support! Most of the people on here will compromise to some extent on game mangement plans, but when you start this crap about lazy, pay offs, non hunters etc. you do nothing but ,make it harder for anyone who is really listening to hear or act upon your message. Reorg boy and get the exclusion the right way. I say the majority of 900K hunters didn't care enough, didn't see a problem with inclusion. If the numbers were as vast and overwhelming about 'no way' as you guys keep spouting 90% 90% it would never have been passed and probably laughed at as the Atlal (spear) was when it was put up for a vote. If your saying PA has been bought and paid for when it comes to the PAPGC or BOC, then look at your state representatives and get the vote out and change the appointees and or your politicians. Do not, Do not blame the hunters, it is legal, not illegal, voted on passed and inlcuded in the 2009-2010 license year. Call me anything you want, it was discussed publicly twice at least in depth, emails and petitions sent, phone calls opinions were heard and a vote or actually 2 votes were made FOR INCLUSION! We challenged the system and won, your turn! Challenge the system if you guys truly are right and 90% of some number cares enough to vote out these on the take rapscallions then you have truly made the overall hunting populations voice heard. Otherwise you guys are just unhappy that your little boys club was not listened to so let's cry and kick at all the hunters who won the inclusion. Who had the voice that obviously was heard and enacted upon. Bad bad Xbow hunters!

The hardcore antis repeatedly shoot themselves in the foot by making all sorts of statements and accusations that range from whiney and hypocritical to outright crazy. Then they wonder why they are getting steamrolled in terms of crossbow inclusion in state after state. Many people who are on the fence about crossbows will read a thread like this and support inclusion just to shut some of these folks up:hit:

"getting steamrolled in terms of crossbow inclusion in state after state."

How many states currently have full inclusion? Not as many states out of 50 that Id call "steamrolled in state after state" lol.

Only reason they were legalized here (and im not currently debating wether they shouldve been or not) is because we had and have ecoextremist antideer nuts on our boc who saw an opportunity to increase harvest and more cash from archery license sales. All one need do is look at the names voting "yea" since day one and it pretty much tells the tale. Pallone...Hill...Shleiden...Putnam....etc. Same folks who are 100% antideer, 100% ecoextremist ardent supporters who didnt belong on a GAME management board period. I have little doubt theyd have most likely voted for deer contraception as well if that were an available option and to be voted on.

4ever dont let boilmaker get to you! OH. hunters just do not have the same tradition, heritage or have the same passion about hunting as we have here in PA., they have very few hunters and their average hunter doesnt spend or want to spend alot of time in the woods hunting and or scouting, so it makes sense that the majority of them would choose a weapon where they can shoot 3 or 4 shots prior to the season and go hunting.
The first day of gun season out there I always have to keep looking down at my weapon to be sure that it is gun season and by tuesday night or wed morning I-70 and 77 are full of vehicles of hunters heading back to cleveland. Pike

Lanse; my only concern about this,is the total harvest in buck kills this is going to bring.You know as well as I do,since the reduction in the herd. We have for the last couple years,have been getting a growing number of complaints from the firearm deer hunters about the archery hunters season is to long,that archery hunters are taken out the buck before they breed and there is much fewer for the firearm hunters when their time comes. Now with 40 thousand more(and growing) archery hunters this year.
Accomplished vertical archers switching to crossbows. How can anyone say,there will not be an increase in the kill and that's the main point. The slightest increase in buck kills,is going to have the firearm hunters in a rage. So what happens next? A shorter gun season. A shorter archery season. Do we take out the early muzzle loader and rifle season. Cut down on the doe tags? Something will have to change and the firearm hunters will demand it.

Once again you choose to not look at the obvious. First if the PAGC wasn't a "private organization" we would have a voice in who is where but we don't.

As far as profit driven agendas. I will let our PA Hunting Digest paint the picture... Open the Digest..... Four of the first Four product specific ads are promoting the sale of what???? CROSSBOWS!!!! You don't even have to read, just look at the pictures to avoid any further confusion trying to translate English into Imbecile. When Crossbow ads dominate total product specific ads by such a large degree how can anyone claim "conspiracy theory? It is right there in color pictures for you. This was a profit driven agenda from conception and has absolutely no value from a game management standpoint. There isn't a need to include a new weapon when the majority of the state is in a stabilization program.

Hey Pike,, he isn't getting to me, I enjoy this!

PA Hunitng Digest, called marketing! If it is a foregone conclusion that Xbows are being included in building the new hunting heritage, despite fringe efforts (90% of some number) you create advertisement to meet the needs of the new hunting heritage..

Marketing, huh? No kidding! Really? Is that what it's called? I guess that refutes my previous statement about this being profit driven since conception. :rolleyes:
Look up the word HERITAGE, I believe you are trying to label this new inclusion as having history to show more validity to your opinion. Without a history it cannot be a Heritage. Hunting heritage is something Pa has that no other state has in equal. Our state's heritage has always been rooted in tradition not innovation. If we had a heritage of incorporating new methods of hunting we wouldn't be so far behind other states in terms of hunting on Sunday, Baiting, etc. Baiting will be next but only for whitetail deer, don't even think for a second we will be permitted to bait Black Bear or Turkeys. Once baiting is allowed will that then be heritage as well? I mean, if we must make archery hunting easier why not go this next step?

Xbow has a long heritage! A longer one than a compund bow. It is starting to build a new one in PA? What did you miss? Again it was voted in, the PAPGC and BOC and obviously hunters and everyone else but you and your ilk new it was being voted in as an additional opportunity for hunting in PA. So now because everyone else saw the light and your little group of merry men didn't you again cry foul, we are supposed to just quit? This type reasoning was one of the reasons you lost in the first place.

A modern day crossbow is not the crossbow used by the Chinese nearly a thousand years ago. A bow is older than the crossbow. A modern compound is just as much a long bow as a modern crossbow is one of the old wooden ones. Once again you are wrong even about the history of the two weapons. Furthermore an Xbow's earliest purpose to the best history can reveal was intended for warfare first and foremost, the bow was used primarily as a hunting weapon. Before you start espousing further misinformation about the 2.
Would you like to continue with new post containing fictional information or do you want to go back to playing the same broken record, you haven't said anything new that is factual.

What the heck does that mean? And I can't beleibve I am answering you with your last post up for all to see. I'm going hunting in Ohio this weekend. I will be in PA for the first day of the new Xbow season in October. I will probably take the rut week to hunt Xbow as well. In addition I will probably get to hunt Saturdays in PA then Ohio on Sundays.all w/ my Xbow. I will be hunting all season w/ my Xbow. My 1000 year old weapon of choice that was legalized for Xbow hunting this year, telescopic sites the whole works. You hang in there 4everthn! Unbeleivable...........

BH1, Lanse, Boilermaker


None of you has answered this question in spite of the fact that it's been asked multiple times.

With 900,000 hunters, PA has always taken a cautious slow and steady approach to the introduction of any new weapons and seasons. Muzzleloader season was first restricted to three days on selected state game lands. Archery season was first instituted during the regular gun season on two specific designated areas only. Most recently, archery bear season was put in as a three day, mid week deal.

I'll ask all of you again..... what would have been wrong with a slow and cautious aproach to the crossbow?

I'll say why should I ? At this juncture it is a moot point, the Xbow is an arching weapon included in this years game plan. Discussion and name calling is moot point, inclusion was voted on by BOC by a majority of commisioners voting!

Still waiting.:confused0024:

I'm going to give you my answer (opinion) to your question of slow and cautious,,,which is,,,,,
Pa. has been slow and cautious with their inclusion of the x-bow because every other state that is going to allow em has done it years ago! I remember back in "05" when Va. started allowing them for the regular season hunting dates that i was positive that Pa. was going to include them that same year,,with all the hipe about HR and too many deer,,,,What they should have done was include them back then!,, before the deer were shot to oblivien and every hunter in the woods was still seeing deer,,,then and only then would there have been a gradual acceptence,,,doing it now is the wrong time because hunters in Pa. are now finally realizing that it's time to pay the piper for shooting too many friggin deer! The guns didnt kill the deer,,,the bows didnt kill the deer,,,the muzzle loaders didnt kill the deer and i damn sure that the x-bows wont go down in history for killin the deer,,,but the hunters who carried them weapons might go down in the history of all our memories as "THE KILLERS OF DEER"

What that means is you are trying to make the modern crossbow appear to be the same thing as the medieval crossbow. Furthermore crossbows and every other type of vertical bow are two completely different types of weapons.
You have hit on another point-telescopic/ magnified scopes. I thought the BOC made the inclusion of the xbow without a magnified power scope. Has this changed? And I ask again since you made these claims of a "New Heritage". Than with that line of thinking we should be able to use bait, dogs,etc. to make things even easier. If these things were implemented would you consider them to be heritage as well? Why or why not? At what point do things become too easy? Where do you draw the line?

Hey, since they are legalizing xbows in the archery season this year what about assault rifle owners like me?


I'd like to start a "New Heritage" deer hunting with my AK.

While we are at it, we can legalize baiting like WV, Maryland and Ohio do. Hunters from those states say it doesn't have an impact, so why can't PA do it?

Heck, maybe they'll Start letting hunters go out with spot lights while we are on the "New Heritage" kick.

WV and Maryland allow mutiple bucks per year. I'm thinking PA can do the same. According to the nonresidents, it hasn't hurt their deer hunting.

Maybe the PA nonresidents know something us PA hunters don't?
They say xbows didn't make a big dent in their deer kills.

Virginia 2008-2009 Deer Kill Summary

During the past deer season 253,678 deer were reported killed by hunters in Virginia. This total included 111,863 antlered bucks, 22,291 button bucks, and 119,524 does (47.3%). This represents a 4% increase from the 242,792 deer reported killed last year. It is also 16% higher than the last 10 year average of 212,780. Across the state, deer kill levels were up in all regions including in the Northern Mountains (2%), Northern Piedmont (3%), Southern Mountains (1%), Southern Piedmont (4%), and Tidewater (8%).
Archers, not including crossbow hunters, killed 17,881 deer. The bow kill comprised 7% of the total deer kill.
Crossbows resulted in a deer kill of 9,597 deer or 4% of the total deer kill.

Windwalker:
Theres a few #'s for ya from last year,,,most importantly,,,the last sentence,,,im not trying to prove anything to you or anyone else,,,like i've said before,,,im not a x-bow user,,,but i see nothing anywhere that makes me believe that x-bows are the end all to your traditional hunting opportunities.

You should be allowed to hunt with your AK as far as im concerned,,as a matter of fact if i can find one that will shoot the way i demand a rifle to shoot,,,,im gonna buy it and next year i will be burnin up some doe tags with it here in Va.