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bluebird2 08-24-2009 02:06 PM


Originally Posted by bawanajim (Post 3418137)
Now this adds a whole new meaning to the "Grassy Knoll" now doesn't it.:fighting0007:

Are you that gullible that you believe the settlers in the 1800's were involved in a conspiracy?


In the 1800s European settlers arrived, bringing with them European earthworm species in potted plants. European earthworms have been part of the habitats surrounding human habitation ever since..

DougE 08-24-2009 04:45 PM


Originally Posted by bluebird2 (Post 3418123)
I am basing my position on facts , not opinions. The fact is that according to the PGC regeneration is not improving in 2F and 2G and both units are still rated poor for forest health. So, if the herd is being managed based on forest health in those WMUs , why isn't the PGC trying to reduce the herd?

BTW, they won't know if they needed to fence those cuts for 3 or 4 years!!


They know based on the browse impact and pellet count studies in each district.

bluebird2 08-24-2009 04:53 PM

That simply is not true. the DCNR totally discounted the pellet count results in their Browse Study. Furthermore, they cannot assess the browsing impact on a particular cut until after the cut is made. As you so often stated,deer densities vary across any WMU and deer will concentrate in areas with suitable browse.

If regeneration is improving in 2G and 2F ,why isn't that improvement reflected in the PGC's forest health data?

BTBowhunter 08-24-2009 05:52 PM


If regeneration is improving in 2G and 2F ,why isn't that improvement reflected in the PGC's forest health data?
Improvement would be seen in the field long before the data was actually gathered, analyzed and compiled so that it could be seen on a computer screen.

The improvement has been substantial everywhere I've been lately in 2F from my few acres to the vast ANF and I suspect this is the case where DougE and others have spent time.

When was the last time you walked the woods in 2F or 2G?

bluebird2 08-24-2009 06:05 PM


Improvement would be seen in the field long before the data was actually gathered, analyzed and compiled so that it could be seen on a computer screen.
Only a fool would make a comment like that. The PGC collects the data from the field and posts it in the AWRs. regeneration in 2F actually decreased as the herd was reduced ,instead of increasing as expected. Can you explain why that happened?

BTBowhunter 08-24-2009 06:18 PM


Originally Posted by bluebird2 (Post 3418440)
Only a fool would make a comment like that. The PGC collects the data from the field and posts it in the AWRs. regeneration in 2F actually decreased as the herd was reduced ,instead of increasing as expected. Can you explain why that happened?


Do you ever think before you post? Only a fool would fail to recognize that data on a report is always at LEAST a season behind what can be seen out there in the field.

Of course, If I or a few others here posted that the sun will rise in the east tomorrow, you'd find some way to argue it.

Did you miss the question? When was the last time you walked the woods in 2F or 2G?

bluebird2 08-25-2009 02:44 AM


Do you ever think before you post? Only a fool would fail to recognize that data on a report is always at LEAST a season behind what can be seen out there in the field.
And only a fool would fail to realize that the current herd reduction occurred from 2000 to 2005 and after that the goal was to keep the herd stable in 2G. Therefore, there is no reason to expect a significant improvement in regeneration in the 2008 AWR.

Since the PGC doesn't manage the herd in 2F or 2G based on the personnel observations of hunters, it doesn't matter one bit when the last time was that I took a walk in those WMUs.

bluebird2 08-29-2009 07:08 AM

Here is a link to an article about invasive earthworms in PA.

http://www.wvnps.org/earthworms.html


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