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Old 08-23-2009 | 05:30 PM
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If you reread what i posted , you will see I never made any claims about the effects of earthworms on regeneration in 2F or 2G.

Do you know what area of PA has the poorest regeneration?
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Old 08-23-2009 | 05:31 PM
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I dont use worms for fishing . I use nightwalkers
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Old 08-23-2009 | 05:35 PM
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Originally Posted by bluebird2
If you reread what i posted , you will see I never made any claims about the effects of earthworms on regeneration in 2F or 2G.

Do you know what area of PA has the poorest regeneration?

You did exactly that in your response to my post.....

Does anyone in 2F or 2g use worms for bait while fishing? Do any of the home owners buy shrubs from areas with european earth worms?
Do you have a clue?
Betcha just hate it when your owns words come back to haunt you so fast eh?
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Old 08-23-2009 | 05:35 PM
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Apparently you know so little that you don't know that a nightcrawler is a worm. But, for some reason I am not the least bit surprised.
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Old 08-23-2009 | 05:42 PM
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Originally Posted by bluebird2
Apparently you know so little that you don't know that a nightcrawler is a worm. But, for some reason I am not the least bit surprised.

Hence the the big grin dumb@ss
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Old 08-23-2009 | 06:02 PM
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You did exactly that in your response to my post.....

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Does anyone in 2F or 2g use worms for bait while fishing? Do any of the home owners buy shrubs from areas with european earth worms?
Do you have a clue?
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Wrong again sport. I simply said that is how those worms could be introduced in 2F and 2G. I said nothing about the effects of those worms in those WMUs.
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Old 08-24-2009 | 03:02 AM
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Originally Posted by bluebird2
Apparently you know so little that you don't know that a nightcrawler is a worm. But, for some reason I am not the least bit surprised.
From the link I provided from Minnesota's DNR

What are the harmful effects of non-native earthworms?

Minnesota's hardwood forests developed in the absence of earthworms. Without worms, fallen leaves decompose slowly, creating a spongy layer of organic "duff." This duff layer is the natural growing environment for native woodland wildflowers. It also provides habitat for ground-dwelling animals and helps prevent soil erosion.
Invading earthworms eat the leaves that create the duff layer and are capable of eliminating it completely. Big trees survive, but many young seedlings perish, along with many ferns and wildflowers. Some species return after the initial invasion, but others disappear. In areas heavily infested by earthworms, soil erosion and leaching of nutrientsmayreduce the productivity of forests and ultimately degrade fish habitat.
If non-native earthworms are already here, isn't it already too late?

No. Without humans moving them around, earthworms move slowly, less than a half mile over 100 years. If we stop introducing them we can retain earthworm free areas for a long time. Also, there are many other non-native earthworms available for sale that could have even more harmful effects. Even in areas with earthworms already present, we don't want to risk introducing any of these other species.

Plus their is no discussion of controlling of the earthworms. Such as voles,moles,skunks,birds,toads,etc. This study started in 2000 and is ongoing. This article was to make people aware the ramifications of introducing a non-native species. Regardless it being plant,insect,bird or animals.
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Old 08-24-2009 | 03:57 AM
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Plus their is no discussion of controlling of the earthworms. Such as voles,moles,skunks,birds,toads,etc. This study started in 2000 and is ongoing. This article was to make people aware the ramifications of introducing a non-native species. Regardless it being plant,insect,bird or animals.
One article I read said that natural predators are not capable of controlling the spread of the invasive earth worms. If they could they wouldn't have become a big problem in Minn.

[QUOTE]When earthworms invade a forested area, they consume the forest floor, and herbaceous plant diversity and tree seedling density decrease dramatically. Heavily impacted stands have been observed with only one species of native herb and virtually no tree seedlings remaining.
"Ninety-nine percent of the populations of native plant species normally found in hardwood forests, including large-flowered trilliums, yellow violets, and Solomon's seal, are destroyed in affected areas," said Frelich, a research associate in forest resources. "In many areas, the remaining bare soil is simply eroding away."
Although it is not possible to reverse the continued migration of the earthworms, there are things people can do to help the forests recover.[QUOTE]

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Old 08-24-2009 | 04:48 AM
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[quote=bluebird2;3417603]One article I read said that natural predators are not capable of controlling the spread of the invasive earth worms. If they could they wouldn't have become a big problem in Minn.

[quote]When earthworms invade a forested area, they consume the forest floor, and herbaceous plant diversity and tree seedling density decrease dramatically. Heavily impacted stands have been observed with only one species of native herb and virtually no tree seedlings remaining.
"Ninety-nine percent of the populations of native plant species normally found in hardwood forests, including large-flowered trilliums, yellow violets, and Solomon's seal, are destroyed in affected areas," said Frelich, a research associate in forest resources. "In many areas, the remaining bare soil is simply eroding away."
Although it is not possible to reverse the continued migration of the earthworms, there are things people can do to help the forests recover.

This is the difference BB. You got your info from an article,I got mine straight from the Minnesota Department of Natural Resources and the University of Minnesota. If you read the article from the MDNR, they do not mention any percentage of plants being destroyed. They do not mention how many area's that may have heavy infestation. They just state what can happen and what you should do to help prevent it from happening. Also on the link, they have tabs to click on to research other nonnative species in the state of Minnesota. That's why I provided the links so others can read it
for themselves and just not go by your version.
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Old 08-24-2009 | 05:29 AM
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"Ninety-nine percent of the populations of native plant species normally found in hardwood forests, including large-flowered trilliums, yellow violets, and Solomon's seal, are destroyed in affected areas," said Frelich, a research associate in forest resources. "In many areas, the remaining bare soil is simply eroding away."
That is a direct quote from the article of Cindy Hale , the person that did the research in Minn.
If that's not good enough for you than that is your problem not mine.!!
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