Well I donno btb....Have you looked at Illinois record book entries? Wisconsin? Ohio? etc. etc... Do you think those not turning in all these 150" giants behind every tree here in pa (lol) would make up the difference if they did turn them in? Do you think the totals would be even close? lmao. Do i really need "proof" where common sense prevails? lol.

Might also wanna look into any and all available age structure data from pgc annual reports compared to the others....as well as harvest rate of all legal bucks.

And if you find it absolutely necessary which I dont think most reasonable people would....Then YOU can do that for once on YOUR time. lol

I dont find it a very profitable use of time to prove that Pa isnt some great trophy state. lmao. About as ridiculous as arguing why Rosey Odonell isnt sexy. lol.

Yes, but like most other areas, very few. And the majority of those on the restricted sra areas of 2B. Where the plan isnt having effect. Thats also where most of the big buck were coming from BEFORE the plan was put in place. A simple gander at the record book will confirm that very quickly.

First; I'm hunting 2c and 2d. Enough said about my hunting area's.

BP, I'll wager that buck didnt spend hunting season on that "public land". Not when there are most likely so many better and safer areas in that area.

Your absolutely correct about that buck having a haven that borders the ground that I'm hunting that know one can touch him.Legally that is. But my statement was true," I photographed this buck "on" public property and I'm hunting public property. I have also been seeing more bigger buck since AR's. Maybe just more fortunate than some others in this state.

"First; I'm hunting 2c and 2d. Enough said about my hunting area's. "

Wasnt really replying about anything in particuloar other than your very general statement of "sw Pa having big boys"

"Your absolutely correct about that buck having a haven that borders the ground that I'm hunting that know one can touch him.Legally that is. But my statement was true," I photographed this buck "on" public property and I'm hunting public property."

Didnt really mean anything by it. Its usually always the same though, and not hard to figure out these things. lol. I would imagine before the pressure really gets to him, might be a slim chance if hunting that public area, especially during archery. Woudnt blame a man for giving it a go.

I took your statement t mean that PA is harvesting "a helluva lot less" trophy bucks than before. If your post was meant to compare pA's current harvest only against other states, My bad, I agree with you and apologize for misinterpereting your words. PA has never competed on quality with Illinois etc but we HAVE gotten closer than we ever were.

If you meant that PA is harvesting less trophy bucks than before AR, then my challenge stands.

There is no misrepresenting your statements. Bash every thing the PGC trys to do. LOL deer like the one in the pic are right under your nose and you don't even know it. As for the little punk thing, I have been around long enough to tell your the classic example of the kittycat butt who can't back up the tiger mouth. LOL

I get a kick out of guys like Maverick challenging every nice buck they see suggesting that they're untouchable or that those of us who see or harvest them have some sort of private honey hole where even the bird could shoot a nice buck.

Every private land buck I have taken in the last 10 years was seen on adjoining public land IN SEASON as well. The 10 that I killed 2 years ago was seen by dozens of hunters on ground open to public hunting before I stuck him to the ground.

Hunting is what you make of it. You make your opportunities whether it's planting food plots, making the commitment to buying your own ground, or doing the endless year round homework of seeing to it that you are welcomed on good private hunting ground, or even finding that WAYBACK spot on public ground. deer hunting success is sometimes a matter of luck but most often it's the product of good old fashioned hard work. Period.

The days of the opening morning deer pinball are gone. THANK GOD!

Sure seems quite around here

So what do you think is going to happen to this big boy when he is located on 600 to 800 square miles of state forest land that is all open to hunting and easily accessible? Does your area in Westmoreland county have any place where there is 600 continous square miles of land open to the public? Do you have any idea of what 600 square miles of land looks like?

So what do you think is going to happen to this big boy when he is located on 600 to 800 square miles of state forest land that is all open to hunting and easily accessible?

He'll likely live to be even nicer next year, because there won't be enough hunters in that large of a tract to give him any headaches...unless someone has the time and dedication to really pattern him, or just gets lucky?

"Easy access" to 800 square miles of public forest land? In that scenario it would have to criss-crossed with roads, like a housing development, for any real pressure to take place.

What remedy are you taking for the chronic bile problem these days?

The simple fact is that even with ARS we harvest 80% of our AR legal buck and bucks older than 3.5 yrs. only make up 2% of the annual buck harvest.