Its Official, The Deer Audit is a Scam!!
06-11-2009 | 12:01 PM
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RE: Its Official, The Deer Audit is a Scam!!
"Some people just don't get it."
Lmao. Bro, you said a mouthful. Not look in the mirror and say it again. LMAO.
"If the audit reviews the method used to get the estimates, then the actual estimate is irrelevant. It's the method that is important and has to be correct. "
Oh...Ok, since you say so, I guess it is so. LMAO. We didnt need to debate this! We dont need an audit! All we had to do is ask meathead, Pure genius this one...
" I mean come on, how do you think they arrive at doe tag allocations? duh Oh wait, let me guess. They make up a number right????????? "
LMAO, and so thoughtful of you to straighten us out in such detail on the rock bottom basics! LMAO.
"The majority of hunters wanted the audit to prove the naysayers wrong and to vindicate the deer mngmt. team."
LMFAO!!! Uh-huh...LOL....Of course they did! LOLOLOL.
"In fact, on a letter to the legislature requesting that this audit be done, was signed by the following groups:
Pennsylvania Federation of Sportsmen’s Clubs-Melody Zullinger Executive Director
Audubon PA- Timothy D. Schaeffer Executive Director ..."
LMAO!! ha ha ha. Enough said!! Anyone who knows either of the two need hear no more! and for pfsc you forgot part of their title AND CONSERVATIONISTS! LMAO. A group run by econut activists pretending to be hunter friendly so pgc has a support system to cater to the likes of the antideer groups like audubon and others... And as for the rest, most arent "hunting groups" and other who are are straight up political groups and pgc "yes men" LOL and thats a fact... Course we should consider the many hundreds of thousands who are the majority and have NOTHING to do with any of these "groups" Lol
Lmao. Bro, you said a mouthful. Not look in the mirror and say it again. LMAO.
"If the audit reviews the method used to get the estimates, then the actual estimate is irrelevant. It's the method that is important and has to be correct. "
Oh...Ok, since you say so, I guess it is so. LMAO. We didnt need to debate this! We dont need an audit! All we had to do is ask meathead, Pure genius this one...
" I mean come on, how do you think they arrive at doe tag allocations? duh Oh wait, let me guess. They make up a number right????????? "
LMAO, and so thoughtful of you to straighten us out in such detail on the rock bottom basics! LMAO.
"The majority of hunters wanted the audit to prove the naysayers wrong and to vindicate the deer mngmt. team."
LMFAO!!! Uh-huh...LOL....Of course they did! LOLOLOL.
"In fact, on a letter to the legislature requesting that this audit be done, was signed by the following groups:
Pennsylvania Federation of Sportsmen’s Clubs-Melody Zullinger Executive Director
Audubon PA- Timothy D. Schaeffer Executive Director ..."
LMAO!! ha ha ha. Enough said!! Anyone who knows either of the two need hear no more! and for pfsc you forgot part of their title AND CONSERVATIONISTS! LMAO. A group run by econut activists pretending to be hunter friendly so pgc has a support system to cater to the likes of the antideer groups like audubon and others... And as for the rest, most arent "hunting groups" and other who are are straight up political groups and pgc "yes men" LOL and thats a fact... Course we should consider the many hundreds of thousands who are the majority and have NOTHING to do with any of these "groups" Lol
06-11-2009 | 12:43 PM
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RE: Its Official, The Deer Audit is a Scam!!
And for some of you to think the PGC doesn't do estimates of the herd shows you have little understanding of the population management process. I mean come on, how do you think they arrive at doe tag allocations? duh Oh wait, let me guess. They make up a number right?????????
06-11-2009 | 04:53 PM
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RE: Its Official, The Deer Audit is a Scam!!
The gameless commission makes alot of unsubstantiated claims.
I recall something about more and bigger bucks. LMAO.-- Didnt happen. Instead pgc got themselves sued, audited, prevented fee increase and hunters quitting at over double the national average.
I recall something about improved breeding and fawning rates LMAO.-- Proven b.s. on their own annual reports. Those rates actually DECLINED!!
I recall the deer are eating the forest and they must be slaughtered! LMAO-- Yet despite rock bottom deer densities dcnr is still crying the blues.
It wasnt supposed to be a blanket one size fits all program. It now is.
The plan is a failure and the scam audit should be very funny to see when completely. Curious to see how they attempt to put perfume on a turd. LMAO![:'(]
I recall something about more and bigger bucks. LMAO.-- Didnt happen. Instead pgc got themselves sued, audited, prevented fee increase and hunters quitting at over double the national average.
I recall something about improved breeding and fawning rates LMAO.-- Proven b.s. on their own annual reports. Those rates actually DECLINED!!
I recall the deer are eating the forest and they must be slaughtered! LMAO-- Yet despite rock bottom deer densities dcnr is still crying the blues.
It wasnt supposed to be a blanket one size fits all program. It now is.
The plan is a failure and the scam audit should be very funny to see when completely. Curious to see how they attempt to put perfume on a turd. LMAO![:'(]
06-11-2009 | 05:05 PM
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RE: Its Official, The Deer Audit is a Scam!!
ORIGINAL: MeatHunter2
Some people just don't get it. If the audit reviews the method used to get the estimates, then the actual estimate is irrelevant. It's the method that is important and has to be correct.
And for some of you to think the PGC doesn't do estimates of the herd shows you have little understanding of the population management process. I mean come on, how do you think they arrive at doe tag allocations? duh Oh wait, let me guess. They make up a number right?????????
The majority of hunters wanted the audit to prove the naysayers wrong and to vindicate the deer mngmt. team. In fact, on a letter to the legislature requesting that this audit be done, was signed by the following groups:
Pennsylvania Federation of Sportsmen"™s Clubs-Melody Zullinger Executive Director
Audubon PA- Timothy D. Schaeffer Executive Director
PA Chapter National Wild Turkey Federation- Don Heckman, Exec. Officer
CNX Land Resources (Consol Energy)- Dennis Fredericks, Manager, Conservation Properties & Activities
United Bowhunters of PA- Wes Waldron, President
Ecosystem Management Project- Bryon Shissler
PA Rifle & Pistol Assoc.- Jack Lee
Chesapeake Bay Foundation- President Matt Ehrhart
PA Sportsmen"™s Assoc- Harry Schneider
Citizens for Pennsylvania"™s Future- Chairman John Hanger, President & CEO
Allegheny Co. Sportsmen"™s League- Mike Maranche, President
PA Landscape & Nursery Products- Chad Forcey, Director of Government Relations
Pheasants Forever- Shon Robbins, Wildlife Biologist
Sierra Club Pennsylvania Chapter- Jeff Schmidt, Director
Ruffed Grouse Society- Mark Banker, Senior Biologist
Pennsylvania Grange- Betsy Huber, Grange Master
PA Chapters (7) of Safari Club International- Craig Kauffman
Some people just don't get it. If the audit reviews the method used to get the estimates, then the actual estimate is irrelevant. It's the method that is important and has to be correct.
And for some of you to think the PGC doesn't do estimates of the herd shows you have little understanding of the population management process. I mean come on, how do you think they arrive at doe tag allocations? duh Oh wait, let me guess. They make up a number right?????????
The majority of hunters wanted the audit to prove the naysayers wrong and to vindicate the deer mngmt. team. In fact, on a letter to the legislature requesting that this audit be done, was signed by the following groups:
Pennsylvania Federation of Sportsmen"™s Clubs-Melody Zullinger Executive Director
Audubon PA- Timothy D. Schaeffer Executive Director
PA Chapter National Wild Turkey Federation- Don Heckman, Exec. Officer
CNX Land Resources (Consol Energy)- Dennis Fredericks, Manager, Conservation Properties & Activities
United Bowhunters of PA- Wes Waldron, President
Ecosystem Management Project- Bryon Shissler
PA Rifle & Pistol Assoc.- Jack Lee
Chesapeake Bay Foundation- President Matt Ehrhart
PA Sportsmen"™s Assoc- Harry Schneider
Citizens for Pennsylvania"™s Future- Chairman John Hanger, President & CEO
Allegheny Co. Sportsmen"™s League- Mike Maranche, President
PA Landscape & Nursery Products- Chad Forcey, Director of Government Relations
Pheasants Forever- Shon Robbins, Wildlife Biologist
Sierra Club Pennsylvania Chapter- Jeff Schmidt, Director
Ruffed Grouse Society- Mark Banker, Senior Biologist
Pennsylvania Grange- Betsy Huber, Grange Master
PA Chapters (7) of Safari Club International- Craig Kauffman
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06-11-2009 | 07:46 PM
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RE: Its Official, The Deer Audit is a Scam!!
ORIGINAL: MeatHunter2
If the audit reviews the method used to get the estimates, then the actual estimate is irrelevant. It's the method that is important and has to be correct.
If the audit reviews the method used to get the estimates, then the actual estimate is irrelevant. It's the method that is important and has to be correct.
06-12-2009 | 04:53 PM
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RE: Its Official, The Deer Audit is a Scam!!
"The majority of hunters wanted the audit to prove the naysayers wrong and to vindicate the deer mngmt. team."
01-04-2010 | 12:56 PM
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Nontypical Buck
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Just wondering if there has been any new news on the deer audit? I started this thread 6 months ago and havent heard anything thing about the audit since. Thanks, Pike
Last edited by J Pike; 01-04-2010 at 01:03 PM.
