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Funny how the very guys who claimed that PGC was dragging their feet on the audit are now very obviously worried that the results won't fit their agenda.

Could it be that USP was really the force causing the roadblock to the
audit after all?

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I never claimed the PGC was dragging their feet on the audit and I am not the least bit worried about the results of the audit. The WMI says they support biodiversity which means they support the PGC deer management plan.

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Huh what a diffrent tuneBb

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Apparently you are tone deaf because I haven't changed my tune. but , if you think I have , please feel free to point out that change.

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"Could it be that USP was really the force causing the roadblock to the
audit after all?"

Not likely,since it was they who had to sign a paper to get PGC to agree tocommit to the audit. Really rediculous. Like asking a criminal if they wanted to go to trial! LMAO....and predictably pgc said "no thank you sir! LMAO:D.

You dont ask them....You justhave the trial!!

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"Funny how the very guys who claimed that PGC was dragging their feet on the audit are now very obviously worried that the results won't fit their agenda. "

Sorry, if its crooked it crooked, if its not objective and thourough its not. if it IS, you neednt worry as we will see it for what it is.

On the other hand, it seems you pretty much have your mind made up though. ITs already a great audit that should be swallowed whole no matter who does it or what is said, just because ifwe dont, you will accuse anyone who doesnt of having an agenda. As if anyone here cares more about your ridicule than they do the realsupposed purpose of this audit![8D]

Sorry, but you dont dictate what is acceptable and what isnt. Especially100% blindlywith nothing even having taken place yet. Noones said the audit is definately gonna be crooked or not address the pertinenet details for sure.The very realPOSSIBILITY most certainly does exist the audit could be done in a manner not conducive to solving a thing. Though you may not believe that, just as you dont believe pgcbeing 100% direction dictated by econuts.

Most here would undoubtedly liketo see an attempt ataddressing these issues, thats why suggestions were asked for here, which it seems you still havent given, all you can do is pizz andmoan about others posts, as usual.

Dont like the discussion? Sorry bout yer luck, but it is what it is, and there isnt a thing out of line here or that isnt consistent with hunter feelings about pgc. This audit is because of gross mismanagement and rock bottom hunter satisfaction level. It shouldntevenNEED to be occurring, if it werent for pgcs head beingfirmly up thier own arses. Dont expect those of us who aredisgruntled to all of a sudden trust everyone involved just because you think we should! No offense, but if we did what YOU thought we should, pgc woulda probably had a license fee increase of twice it is they are asking....8 years ago, along with half the deer we already have.;) And as for someone being on the "expert panel" affiliated with say... Audubon, Most hunters wouldnt trust them any more than you'd trust Jim Slinsky himself todo an unbiasedaudit.

Most wouldve liked legislative intervention to immediate fix the problems. Most didnt need an audit to know pgc where full of it. We can thank ol' "MEL" and Tim Shaeffer of Audubon for that not happening, and us having to settle for an audit in the first place. As stated, I find an audit better than "nothing". Nothing more, nothing less.

Dont like my position, well im sorry but that is my position and always has been ever since pgc trying to get out of the audit from the beginning. I dont support a license fee increase with absolutely nothing done. I think an audit far from ideal, but am open to the option at the moment.

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Does that mean that you will cry "crooked" if the results arent what you want? Sure seems like it!

Please show me where I said anything like that. I never used any words like great to describe the audit but you have already brought the word crooked into the mix and the thing hasn't even started yet! Personally, I just want the thing done with no matter what it winds up saying.

As opposed to pizzing and moaning about the results before the thing starts?

BTW, you dont dictate what is acceptable either! LOL



Actually I'm finding this discussion quite amusing but it sure seems to have put a burr under your saddle;)

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This audit is because of gross mismanagement and rock bottom hunter satisfaction level. It shouldntevenNEED to be occurring, if it werent for pgcs head beingfirmly up thier own arses. Dont expect those of us who aredisgruntled to all of a sudden trust everyone involved just because you think we should! No offense, but if we did what YOU thought we should, pgc woulda probably had a license fee increase of twice it is they are asking....8 years ago, along with half the deer we already have.;) And as for someone being on the "expert panel" affiliated with say... Audubon, Most hunters wouldnt trust them any more than you'd trust Jim Slinsky himself todo an unbiasedaudit.

To use your words:

Sorry, but you dont dictate what is acceptable and what isnt.:D:D:D

legislative intervention? Now there's a method that will truly accomplish the will of the people LOL LOL LOL

Like I said, it is both interesting and highly amusing that you already have your shorts in a bunch over the results and the bluebird is already disputing or spinning what hasn't even been written LMFAO!

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"Does that mean that you will cry "crooked" if the results arent what you want? Sure seems like it!"

No. But I do have in mind what constitutes "crooked" and if it is,or for a less harsh word andgivingbenefit of a doubt...if it doesnt address the necessaries, yes, I will cry foul.

"BTW, you dont dictate what is acceptable either! LOL "

My comment wasnt meant to be a smartass, though I see you didnt take it as such, but thought Id confirm it anyway... But you need to remember, you already dictate what YOU will accept. Yet you are alsotrying to tell usthat what we are discussing in regards to the audit and what it should entail orOUR expectationsare inappropriate. We arent dictating a thing to you, but you most certainly are attempting to, to us.

But as one of the many disgruntled hunters....Sure imostcertainly should voice what WE find acceptable. Reason I said you dont is because you arent one with the problem, yet you want to say what those of us who have big problems with the current situation should accept. If they do not address OUR problems with all this nonsense, then the effortsof this audit arent only a waste of time, but also counter-productive. And of courseanyone including you should feel more than welcome with giving suggestions as to what an audit should address without dismissing concerns of others.

"Actually I'm finding this discussion quite amusing but it sure seems to have put a burr under your saddle;) "

I dont care to have my position misrepresented. Purposely or otherwise.Not pizzed. Just keeping my position straight as I intend it.

"legislative intervention? Now there's a method that will truly accomplish the will of the people LOL LOL LOL "

Sure it would. Thats what REPRESENTATIVES are for by job description definition! LOL. Though I see no reason why pgc change of attitude and policy couldnt have worked just as well. Either would have been far more effective than nothing or just doing an audit imho.

"Like I said, it is both interesting and highly amusing that you already have your shorts in a bunch over the results and the bluebird is already disputing or spinning what hasn't even been written LMFAO! '

Just as you are already whining about our posts and telling us we should already accept what hasnt even occurred. Its just a broad as it is long!.(LOL) LMFAO right back atcha!;) I think your outrage should be saved at least until you see wether we do end up agreeing the audit was thorough and unbiased and exactly why.

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BT. How can WMI do their job if the PGC. cannot provide accurate current DD.'s or DD.'s of years past aswell?
How can WMI tell us were we need to go if they dont know where we currently are or have been in recent years? Pike

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The PGC admits they have yearly deer density estimates for every WMU. They simply refuse to release the data and instead simply report the change in DD. It is their way of avoiding telling hunters how much the herd has been reduced.

If WMI conducts a through ,unbiased audit, it will point out discrepancies like this and the PGC will lose even more credibility with hunters.