PGC critic has a bit of crow for supper...
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Res Ipsa Loquitor !
Can't help but wonder if the USP isstill gonna wanna see that audit now ?!?!?!?
Critic of Pennsylvania's deer management fails to find better
Posted by Marcus Schneck, Harrisburg Patriot-News - April 20, 2009
Bryon Shissler, a wildlife biologist who has frequently criticized the Pennsylvania Game Commission's management of the state's deer herd, today told the agency he was unable to find a better deer management program in the continental U.S.
Working with the Pinchot Institute, Shissler's Ecosystem Management Project set out in 2005 to find deer management programs in other states from which better ideas could be copied and brought back to improve the Pennsylvania program.
However, researchers involved in the study of programs in all the lower 48 state, which was completed last fall, did not find those better ideas.
"We were somewhat disappointed in what we found," Shissler told the Board of Game Commissioners. Most states are not managing deer based on overall ecosystem goals, but on deer production goals.
"Our goal was to go out and steal those ideas and bring them back. We didn't find very much. There's very little science driving most deer management programs," noted the man whose organization was set up to move deer management farther into the realm of science.
"Pennsylvania has one of the most progresssive deer management programs in the country," he said.
Shissler admitted to expecting to find that "super agencies," in which Game, Fish and Boat, Conservation and Natural Resources, and other resource functions were all combined into agency, had larger and better funding supporting more science-based deer management.
However, he noted, "most deer management programs are run on a shoestring budget."
The one-time advocate of merging the agencies in Pennsylvania explained, "When you merge agencies you don't necessarily get better deer management. You don't necessarily get more money.
He blamed the lack of funding and lack of science in deer management on "political compromise" caused by hunters not wanting to lose control of deer management decisions.
"Pennsylvania has the best program we found," he said.
While he would rate the average across the U.S. a three, on a scale of one to 10 with 10 representing optimum ecosystem-based deer management, Shissler said, he would score Pennsylvania with a five.
That leaves " a long way to go," he pointed out. "We're on the right track, but we have a long way to go."
Shissler did not back away from his previous statements that deer management in Pennsylvania is a "flawed" system.
He pointed to the state's lack of funding from a broader base than hunters to support wildlife management and lack of broader representation from interests other than hunters on the Board of Commissioners, as well as inadequate measures of the ecosystem effectiveness of the state's evolving deer management program, as central to the flaw.
Posted by Marcus Schneck, Harrisburg Patriot-News - April 20, 2009
Bryon Shissler, a wildlife biologist who has frequently criticized the Pennsylvania Game Commission's management of the state's deer herd, today told the agency he was unable to find a better deer management program in the continental U.S.
Working with the Pinchot Institute, Shissler's Ecosystem Management Project set out in 2005 to find deer management programs in other states from which better ideas could be copied and brought back to improve the Pennsylvania program.
However, researchers involved in the study of programs in all the lower 48 state, which was completed last fall, did not find those better ideas.
"We were somewhat disappointed in what we found," Shissler told the Board of Game Commissioners. Most states are not managing deer based on overall ecosystem goals, but on deer production goals.
"Our goal was to go out and steal those ideas and bring them back. We didn't find very much. There's very little science driving most deer management programs," noted the man whose organization was set up to move deer management farther into the realm of science.
"Pennsylvania has one of the most progresssive deer management programs in the country," he said.
Shissler admitted to expecting to find that "super agencies," in which Game, Fish and Boat, Conservation and Natural Resources, and other resource functions were all combined into agency, had larger and better funding supporting more science-based deer management.
However, he noted, "most deer management programs are run on a shoestring budget."
The one-time advocate of merging the agencies in Pennsylvania explained, "When you merge agencies you don't necessarily get better deer management. You don't necessarily get more money.
He blamed the lack of funding and lack of science in deer management on "political compromise" caused by hunters not wanting to lose control of deer management decisions.
"Pennsylvania has the best program we found," he said.
While he would rate the average across the U.S. a three, on a scale of one to 10 with 10 representing optimum ecosystem-based deer management, Shissler said, he would score Pennsylvania with a five.
That leaves " a long way to go," he pointed out. "We're on the right track, but we have a long way to go."
Shissler did not back away from his previous statements that deer management in Pennsylvania is a "flawed" system.
He pointed to the state's lack of funding from a broader base than hunters to support wildlife management and lack of broader representation from interests other than hunters on the Board of Commissioners, as well as inadequate measures of the ecosystem effectiveness of the state's evolving deer management program, as central to the flaw.
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My god man, he he he. Do you have any idea who Byron Shissler is, the role he's played in our deer management fiascos as well as being 110% antideer? Hes worked with Audubon! Hes worked with Alt and Grund. And consultant for dcnr! LOL
All this is doing is spitting in the face of sportsmen and legislators. When I originally heard someone was going to give an evaluation, i thought it might be from some out of state, little knowneco-flake connection pgc might've had for a "yes-man"... They didnt even do that! They took one of the most well known hard core antideer people they could find! Unbelievable. Pure pgc stupidity at its finest.[:'(]
All this is doing is spitting in the face of sportsmen and legislators. When I originally heard someone was going to give an evaluation, i thought it might be from some out of state, little knowneco-flake connection pgc might've had for a "yes-man"... They didnt even do that! They took one of the most well known hard core antideer people they could find! Unbelievable. Pure pgc stupidity at its finest.[:'(]
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http://pa.audubon.org/deer_report.html Here is one of this "pgc critics" more noteworthy endeavors.
Seems his only small critisism of the commission was he'd like even more deer killed.
BTW,... CAW....CAW!

Seems his only small critisism of the commission was he'd like even more deer killed.
BTW,... CAW....CAW!


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While he would rate the average across the U.S. a three, on a scale of one to 10 with 10 representing optimum ecosystem-based deer management, Shissler said, he would score Pennsylvania with a five.
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My question is rated Pa a three,and the best he could find is a five,how can you use a 1-10 scale with 10 being the best.If you don't have a best and worst to compare to,how can you grade the rest since it's all based on his "opinion" anyhow ?????
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>It appears Shissler is saying he knows more than all of the deer managers across the entire US
He is saying no such thing.
Deer managers(educated, trained, wildlife biologists) don't get to make management decisions in state agencies. They advise political appointees like Board of Commission members in PA who have the first and only say when it comes to deer hunting regs.
I had a dream and in this dream
Deer biologists run a number by a friendly BOC member of the number of tags they think is biologically sound. This member shops that number around to see what the others are willing to accept. In the end the biologists are given a number a bunch lower than they want to present at the April meeting which enough members vote for.
Ever wonder why every year this never happens ---- the head deer biologist
says at the April meetin "we would like 1.3 million doe tags" and the BOC hudles up and say "no, we will only grant 1 million tags".
Thought it might happen during the Alt era but if not then I would say never.
You know if the USP lawsuit was to go forward we might just get to see what the deer biologists really think since after all they would be under oath and have to tell
the court exactly what they think.
WV Gino
He is saying no such thing.
Deer managers(educated, trained, wildlife biologists) don't get to make management decisions in state agencies. They advise political appointees like Board of Commission members in PA who have the first and only say when it comes to deer hunting regs.
I had a dream and in this dream
Deer biologists run a number by a friendly BOC member of the number of tags they think is biologically sound. This member shops that number around to see what the others are willing to accept. In the end the biologists are given a number a bunch lower than they want to present at the April meeting which enough members vote for.
Ever wonder why every year this never happens ---- the head deer biologist
says at the April meetin "we would like 1.3 million doe tags" and the BOC hudles up and say "no, we will only grant 1 million tags".
Thought it might happen during the Alt era but if not then I would say never.
You know if the USP lawsuit was to go forward we might just get to see what the deer biologists really think since after all they would be under oath and have to tell
the court exactly what they think.
WV Gino