RE: PGC critic has a bit of crow for supper...
 

[quote2006 Forward Looking InfraRed Flight (FLIR) - 24 Deer Per Square Mile][/quote]

So the poor habitat in Clinton County is controlling the herd at 24 OWD PSM ,but the poor habitat in 2G is controlling the herd at less than 10 DPSM. You aren't making any sense as usual.

RE: PGC critic has a bit of crow for supper...
 

Your RIGHT doug the way Pa comm. and most Pa. hunters think CHEAP!! Take from the system and never put back. Public lands in many other states are planted with real crops.Private Land ownwers supplement the forest with food plots and high protein feeders. I guarantee you the 70 deer that roam thru my 104 acres are fat and happy. I would say in my county the food plots and feeders are 60 PSM. But if you want lots of deer yes its going to cost someone. So Pa cheapos can just suffer. Nothing good is free. I understand the cutting of some mature timber to open the forest for regeneration. But If they cut all the mature oaks ,no more acorns. No acorns ,that aint very smart. Select cut leaving enough oak bearing trees around makes more sense.Heck in Iowa the public land is planted by local farmers,the state has some stands set up. And when you pull in to some of the parking lots a State rep is there to give you directions and a free coffe wagon. They will even ride your deer out for you if needed.

RE: PGC critic has a bit of crow for supper...
 

So the poor habitat in Clinton County is controlling the herd at 24 OWD PSM ,but the poor habitat in 2G is controlling the herd at less than 10 DPSM. You aren't making any sense as usual.
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Maybe it is just that aren’t capable of understanding what makes sense and what doesn’t.

If you aren’t able to figure out that there are areas of each unit with both high and low deer densities then I am darn sure that is the case.

I don't beleive the average deer density for unit 2G is anywhere close to be as low as only 10 deer per square mile.That is really just moreof the nonsense you use to insight discontent.

R.S. Bodenhorn

RE: PGC critic has a bit of crow for supper...
 

The Pa gameless commission 05/06 annual report, page 13, shows shaded deer density map. The
density for 2G is listed at "10 OR LESS DPSM"

I dont see anywhere on that page bluebirds "discontent" listed with the evaluation.;)

Id imagine it kinda hard to argue about other wmus half a state away when you cant even keep up with what is going on in your own!

RE: PGC critic has a bit of crow for supper...
 

Of course the DD varies across any WMU just as the habitat varies from poor to good. But they are saying the the habitat on the conservancy is poor, but is still supports 24 DPSM. How can that be if the habitat is controlling the herd?

It really doesn't matter what you believe because the deer have proven every one of your claims and predictions were wrong. Would you like me to list them again?

The very low harvest rate for 2G reflects a herd of less than 10 DPSM and that number is also supported by the PGC AWR. Do you have any data that proves the PGC data is wrong?

Now this is really a hoot.
So you are saying that if the habitat was good and not a limiting factor , it could support 60 or 80 DPSM. That is simply amazing because it means you agreeing the southern tier WMUs can support well over 80 DPSM.

RE: PGC critic has a bit of crow for supper...
 

I hunt the West Branch Conservancy. Sounds like you know a lot about it. Tell us the full story.

RE: PGC critic has a bit of crow for supper...
 

>I hunt the West Branch Conservancy. Sounds like you know a lot about it. Tell us the full story.

Not sure what you are trying to say. Why don't you tell us the full story.

WV Gino

RE: PGC critic has a bit of crow for supper...
 

Somehow I knew you'd answer a question with a question, so I'll put it another way. Describe the conservancy property and hunting there, then I'll telleveryone whatI know about the property. Pretty simple. You used this property as a reference point, surely you wouldn't do so if you didn't have first-hand experience there, right?

RE: PGC critic has a bit of crow for supper...
 

Im glad you added "and hunting there". Otherwise he'd most likely have rambled on about all the trillium and hobblebush growing there. You know, according to audubon those are the keystones of a healthy environmentalist endorsed forest![:'(]

RE: PGC critic has a bit of crow for supper...
 

I shot my first deer about 3 miles from the conservancy in 1965, when I was a young teenager. I also kept notes on my experiences hunting at the conservancy, and my correspondence with conservancy employees.

RE: PGC critic has a bit of crow for supper...
 

I hear this clown shissler tried to lie about the year he started this econut fact finding mission comparing the states...Not sure of the significance. Boop apparently caught him in that and other mistruths. I dont know particulars, and the usual crew on hpa who usually have their tape recorder and type every word on the message board are being tight - lipped. Guess it didnt go so well for them. I also heard whines about "usp guys will probably take things said out of context"...

Loosely translated, the guy (shissler)made an arse out of himself and didnt help pgcs cause in the least.