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"Game commission wildlife veterinarian Walter Cottrell described the symptoms of EHD as excessive drooling, weakness and a loss of fear of humans. He said the virus usually kills the affected animal within five to 10 days."

"EHD is a common but sporadic disease in white-tailed deer populations of the United States, and is contracted by the bite of insects called “biting midges.” In more northern states, such as Pennsylvania, EHD occurs less often and the deer are less able to mount an effective immune response. The virus usually kills the naïve animal within five to 10 days."

RE: 07/08 annual report. Good bad and ugly. Mostly ugly
 

"If the goal is not to have any noticeable deer damage then that goal is unobtainable in the northern half of the state where snow is prevalent."

Jim this situation is absolutely rediculous. And it surely isnt limited to the north. When 2A for example,drops inrating of regen. acceptability by 15 *&%$# percent instantaneously!, or any of the other wmus that were lowered...thats nothing less than pure pgcsleazeball tactics. Plain and simple. They are simply changing the rules as they go along to kill more deer where they want to kill more deer, yet didnt have a good excuse to do so. I often use 2A as my example because I am most familiar with the wmus data, so speaking of this wmu, the human conflict was rated as low. The goal has been stabilization supposedly for years now. The herd has been reduced.The herd or habitat health has never been poor, and the cac also voted for stabilizatin.... So how do they get justification to in the near future kill more deer and lower the herd as has probably been their intent all along? Change the rules, then point to the new data as justification. It just plain stinks to high heaven. Im suremany other wmus are also "in line" forthe same judgingby the new regeneration chart.[:'(]

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That quote came from September 2007.

The information relayed to me was in January 2008 after the hunting season played out.


Your claim that a WCO working in the field every day didn't know what she's talking about is either abject stupidity or a flat out lie. Yes, you had a bad outbreak down there inLaLa Land but you are at least 50 miles away and have no knowledge or evidence to support your challenge of what went on up here. You are also relying on information provided in early fall as the outbreak was playing itself out. That there were survivors in January around here tells a different tale. Sorry you can't accept that but you've done nothing but display your ignorance. You may well have been on the front lines wher the outbreak was the worst but that doesn't make you an authority. Your behavior makes you a complete buffoon. Oh and a liar since you seem so fond of that wordespecially when you've been proven wrong or can't come up with something of substance.

RE: 07/08 annual report. Good bad and ugly. Mostly ugly
 

If you want to pull your hair out compare the regeneration results for each WMU with the PS deer densities in the 2005 AWR and see if it makes any sense.

RE: 07/08 annual report. Good bad and ugly. Mostly ugly
 

Btb. I dontcare about a clueless wco. I wouldnt ask a wco for biological info any more than id have a hospital janitor give me a second opinion on surgery.Find out from the right people. As I have. As for your wco, They spoke of very general information and had nothing to do with our situation, lots of half truths spoken of thanks to the fact the disease was very new to us. Ive given youthefacts you can embrace them or ignore them as usual, in this case I dont care which,knock yourself out with your little ehd conversation. I know everything there is to know from a practical standpoint. You are trying to take the attention off of the facts here and the real discussion which as usual makes pgc look like complete arses. This is new and very interesting stuff yet youd rather talk about something dated which you know absolutely nothing about. Good luck with that. Now on to the conversation...

Bb, I just read more of the report, and see that we dont need to "compare" this "new" data to the old....Yet they fail to mention this "new" method took our wmu from being WELL above the "fair" minimum bar, to well BELOW IT! WTF!! They said they have the option of giving the next grade up if the percentage fell within a few of the next higher grade minimum....So they squeaked us out a fair, even though we are now below the fair into the "poor" designation by FOUR FRIGGIN PERCENT not because the habitat has decreased as determined by the system we had been using, but because they played their little games and changed the rules for their ecofruit agenda!!!Id like to tell those treehugging sobs exactly what they can kiss.

If our rating goes down by ONE PERCENT or so we are getting scalped. If they dont do it this year and not lower our allocation even though we've been steadily declining despite claims of stabilization. Anyone who looks into this stuff and still votes for a fee increase has their head buried firmly in their own anus.

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With some quick numbers on average the PGC sells 3.5 licenses to kill a doe. 1B is low at 2.6 per kill with 4E a high at 4.2. That number sounds low to me because I know of no one in my group of friends that shot any and we had 13 tags among us.
Are DMAT kills counted in total harvest numbers? If so how many DMAT tags were available state wide?

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If it was from disease wouldn't one think there would be 100s of dead deer being found in small areas?

Conspiracy theory,
If you wanted to do an experiment on wild deer,What would be the state with the most populated deer herd in the country where deer are over abundant?

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"If it was from disease wouldn't one think there would be 100s of dead deer being found in small areas? "

I n many areas there were scorp. I personally found quite a few. Most on one farm ended up being over 20. 10-15 on a couple of others. Heard many in the area that found that many and more. In a few cases ALOT more. Also heard on hpa claims of one farm having over 100 dead, confirmed by galthatfished. Id say that joker was trying to horde some deer!!

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I seen deer herded up yesterday. Seen 15 in one group and about 12 in another.These deer was withing 50yrds of a creek in both herds.I seen one deer in someones yard that looked like it had mange. Its fur was all messed up and looked kinda sick. Maybe they do have a disease. Start that rumor and watch hunting sale plumet.

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They dont have ehd this time of year. But I wouldnt mind if someone did start a "scare" of some sort before hunting season. Someone needs to take action against theseclowns. The lows pgc are sinking to is getting completely outrageous. Just when I think they can go no lower, they kick us in the groin again.