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RE: Pennsylvania deer kills drop
I think he'll live with your vulgar childish name calling, but you are still a liar.At best, currently you are trying to force us to believe something that is undocumented, unproven, and unlikely. RSB didnt dispute the statewide numbers. He simply explained that they may not be a true and fair comparison due to a shift in the sampling locations. I mentioned it in this thread the same way explaining it as "the rest of the story" Why are you so afraid of the WHOLE story? Whats wrong with having ALL the facts? Unless of course, it doesn't fit your agenda. |
RE: Pennsylvania deer kills drop
RSB< Somehow I always knew your blind support was all about getting a payraise. I'm really sorry to hear that, and I know it must suck to go that long without a raise, but until they fix their problems they (the agency as a whole)just don't deserve one, whether the hard working WCO's and others are overdue or not. My advice, use your law enforcenemt background and apply to the State Police or a Sherriff's department. The PGC is a sinking ship, my friend.
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RE: Pennsylvania deer kills drop
RSB didnt dispute the statewide numbers. He simply explained that they may not be a true and fair comparison due to a shift in the sampling locations. I mentioned it in this thread the same way explaining it as "the rest of the story" Why are you so afraid of the WHOLE story? Whats wrong with having ALL the facts? Unless of course, it doesn't fit your agenda. And I'll say to you Cornhole, monkeyboy, tantrum boy, your constant and repeated use of the word liar simply because you disagree with someone is every bit as vulgar and childish |
RE: Pennsylvania deer kills drop
ORIGINAL: Screamin Steel RSB< Somehow I always knew your blind support was all about getting a payraise. I'm really sorry to hear that, and I know it must suck to go that long without a raise, but until they fix their problems they (the agency as a whole)just don't deserve one, whether the hard working WCO's and others are overdue or not. My advice, use your law enforcenemt background and apply to the State Police or a Sherriff's department. The PGC is a sinking ship, my friend. Obviously you are clueless that the financial status of the Game Commission has no effect on the pay status of its personnel. All Game Commission personnel are state employees and thus get the same pay raises as all other state workers based on the contract negotiations. Mostly that is the same contract negotiations as PennDOT and other state workers live with. The exceptions to that are those that are under FOP or other specific and separate contract representation. As a WCO we are under an FOP and have binding arbitration that determines our pay raises and benefits based on what is fair for the job we do, and as determined by independent arbitration. The Game Commission has to pay what the arbitrators say whether there is a license increase or not. R.S. Bodenhorn |
RE: Pennsylvania deer kills drop
"I mentioned it in this thread the same way explaining it as "the rest of the story" Why are you so afraid of the WHOLE story?"
And you don't want to be called liar??? Thats not exactly the way to earnit by telling one on the very first post! Just because you say it the "rest of the story" is meaningless and doesnt make it so. "Whats wrong with having ALL the facts? Unless of course, it doesn't fit your agenda." Your confusing fact with opinion. FACT: the declines that were posted. OPINION: whyYOUTHINK they occurred. FACT: PGC HAD THE DATA TABLE IN A FASHION MEANT FOR COMPARISON OPINION: YOU do not think they should be compared... |
RE: Pennsylvania deer kills drop
ORIGINAL: bluebird2 RSB didnt dispute the statewide numbers. He simply explained that they may not be a true and fair comparison due to a shift in the sampling locations. I mentioned it in this thread the same way explaining it as "the rest of the story" Why are you so afraid of the WHOLE story? Whats wrong with having ALL the facts? Unless of course, it doesn't fit your agenda. And I'll say to you Cornhole, monkeyboy, tantrum boy, your constant and repeated use of the word liar simply because you disagree with someone is every bit as vulgar and childish As for the changes in the statewide breeding rates the part you just don’t seem to get, or simply refuse to acknowledge, is that the difference is not in just how many deer are examined in each area today or last year. To see the shift in sample representation you have compare the past, for each area, with the present for the same areas. I have presented that data in the past and don’t have the time, or the interest, to dig up those facts of change yet again. In fact, it simply doesn’t matter if the statewide breeding rates declined or not since we don’t manage deer anywhere in the statewide based on that statewide data. All units are managed based on the data for that specific unit. That unit specific data is pretty favorable and proving that the current management objectives are working toward the intended, unit specific, goals and objectives all across the state. You are just sour grapes that your twisted theories aren’t being adopted by the professionals that are using scientific data, instead of public whining, to manage the deer toward the correct biological balance with their habitats and long term food supplies. R.S. Bodenhorn |
RE: Pennsylvania deer kills drop
To see the shift in sample representation you have compare the past, for each area, with the present for the same areas. I have presented that data in the past and don’t have the time, or the interest, to dig up those facts of change yet again. In fact, it simply doesn’t matter if the statewide breeding rates declined or not since we don’t manage deer anywhere in the statewide based on that statewide data. All units are managed based on the data for that specific unit. That unit specific data is pretty favorable and proving that the current management objectives are working toward the intended, unit specific, goals and objectives all across the state. The decrease in statewide breeding rates matter more than you think, because breeding rates were suppose to increase in all WMUs as a result of the combined effects of HR and ARs. The fact that they decreased statewide proves that HR and ARs had no positive effect on the health of the herd which is a direct contradiction to what hunters were told regarding why we had to reduce the herd. |
RE: Pennsylvania deer kills drop
ORIGINAL: R.S.B. You do realize that just running an agency required by law and Legislative mandate to fulfill a management mission still costs money don’t you? Do you think salaries don’t need to be paid when times get tough. Do you think the automobile manufactures just give the agency new vehicles to replace the worn out ones every year at the 1999 prices? Do you think the garages that work on those vehicles do so at 1999 costs and provide the parts at the 1999 price listings? Do you think when we pull up to the gas pump everyday or two and fill the gas tank they are only charging the 1999 gas price? Do you think the Food and Cover crews are buying seed, lime, fertilizer and fuel for planting and maintaining habitat at the 1999 cost? You aren’t of those people that has no idea that the Game Commission doesn’t get money from the tax dollars and has to work off of a self funding system are you? And as for timber cutting, there is no more timber being cut now then was being cut in 1999 when the timber values were MUCH higher then they are now. In fact today they can’t even get companies to bid on much of the timber they would like to cut even though cutting it would be a benefit to wildlife. R.S. Bodenhorn |
RE: Pennsylvania deer kills drop
That is just pure nonsense and shows you don't understand what you are talking about. To see the effects of a shift in sample size you have to compare the change in sample sizes in areas with high breeding rates with the change in sample size in the areas with low breeding rates ,which is what I did and it proved that breeding rates did not decrease due to a shift in sample size and location. ,which you failed to comprehend. So maybe you weren't lying and just didn't understand that very simple explanation. RSB pointed out that sample size had shifted. He didnt attempt to create a different result. He merely pointed out that the statewide results were an avergae created when the input had shifted. you responded by posting an intentionally distorted example, inserting informationyou made up, that was proven meaningless. |
RE: Pennsylvania deer kills drop
I feel one point that is not being made is just how many people didn't shoot a deer by choice.
I know plenty of guys who went deer-less because they didn't see the buck they wanted, all though some of you will never mature past the "a bucks a buck" mentality, plenty of us are more than happy to pass on AR legal bucks, hunting more & longerfor a chance a real trophy buck.[:-] Just like most will never play M.L.B. most of you will never take the time to develop the skills it take to consistently kill mature bucks. Hell some of you can't kill a doe, let alone a buck that has survived several seasons.;) My point being, more of us each yearare passing on 2.5 year old bucks each year and each of those bucks has that much better chance on passing his superior genetics along for another year. And thats precisely why our hunting in PA will continue to get better every year. |
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