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I was there and no questions were dodged.

Check your PM's

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"Study after study has shown that people are 7-10 times more likely to attend public meetings when dissatisfied as opposed to attending whan satisfied. "

I dont believe that 7-10 theory applies when the meeting is on the same topic as dozens of others in the last several years where people were ignored.Any objective humanbeing can look at this realistically and see that there have been dozens of "meetings" of various types since the inception of our deer program, and many were packed house with UNSATISFIED people whom gave their voice often enough, when they tought it might matter, BEFORE they were proved that it didnt... How many times do you think they would continue to bang their head against the pgc brick wall YEAR after YEAR after YEAR before either just quietly "stewing" or taking other routes such as continually contacting legislators? Besides this "meeting" wasnt a "public inpuit" gathering. I didnt attend nor did tens of thousands of others, and it wasnt because they/we are "satisfied" with pgc program. With many, its just the exact opposite. And for others, of either side of the debate, manywho WANTED to be educated on the topic already are. I dont see much that was to be discussed that one couldnt have found directly from pgc website.

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Bluebird, I cannot believe that is the answers that were recieved for those questions. UNREAL. Who was answering may I ask?

Statewide breeding rates dont matter? Ive never heard something so rediculous in my life after having heard for years how important it was for us to address it!

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Darned if we do and darned if we dont. Some dont have internet and some prefer to get the answers to specific questions instead of reading all the info.

Some groups are throwing stones and lawsuits saying there isnt enough info availible and now I am hearing everything you ever wanted to know is on the website.

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""Darned if we do and darned if we dont. Some dont have internet and some prefer to get the answers to specific questions instead of reading all the info. ""

Rwj, just giving my opinion to some of the guys here who were giving their thoughts on why these things have not been better attended.

""Some groups are throwing stones and lawsuits saying there isnt enough info availible and now I am hearing everything you ever wanted to know is on the website.""

Since youreplied to me,that holds zero water. Im not involved iwth any "group" or any lawsuit. And yes, I read the agenda for the meeting this one as well as previous. Most if not all of those are addressed on the website. And the only questions that some of us had of any substance, which werent previously answered....STILL go dodged and unanswered.

People are justsick of thisdeer plan and see this as anotherattempt at cramming it down our throats. Pgc should take notice. People have given their opinions. Theyve also basically ignored the brainwash habitattours.... SO why on earth would they waste the time and effort AGAIN on something sure to fail?? Id guess just so they could point to legislators andshow that they keep makiing the effort to "reach out", when all they are really reaching out is an open palm for a fee increase.;)

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You are taking poetic license with what I said. I did not say everything you ever wanted to know was available on the website. I said everything presented at the open house is available on the website including questions and answers.

The PGC is still refusing to release the data on the effects of ARs. They won't release the DD's for each WMU that they use to determine antlerless allocations and they won't release the breeding rates for each WMU.

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How could you possibly know that when there were many different stations and you couldn't have been at all of them at the same time?

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All the "unanswered questions" I've seen on this forum have been answered over and over ad nauseum either here, on te PGC website or elsewhere but some members simply won't accept those answers or can't comprehend them.

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Only questions I have and dont know the answer to, are a few that have no rational answer. They arent addressable by the usual "canned" responses. Such as WHY does 2A have and has had ever since,10 to 15,000 MORE Tags after 2004, when 45,000 tags decreased the herd approx 7% that year according to annual report? Since when does it take 10 to 15000 more tags to stabilize than it does to reduce a larger herd the year before! (LOL)[8D][8D]

Why was the cac structured not as "majority rule" but as only TWO dissenting votes overrule any majority consensus??? (LOL)

Ive got questions...But I have a pretty good idea of the unspoken answers. = Fewer deerno matter what may be claimed or what majority may wish.

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"some members simply won't accept those answers or can't comprehend them. "

Then perhaps you should have attended the Pgc open house.