DEER MANAGEMENT OPEN HOUSES
03-15-2009, 08:31 AM
#11
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: York, PA.
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RE: DEER MANAGEMENT OPEN HOUSES
BT ( by the way its funny calling you BT when I called Blue bird BT For so many years )
I think the Crossbow vote was the last straw in most hunters minds when it comes to the worthless PGC. and given up wasting their time with them.
I think the Crossbow vote was the last straw in most hunters minds when it comes to the worthless PGC. and given up wasting their time with them.
03-15-2009, 08:34 AM
#12
Giant Nontypical
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: SW PA USA
Posts: 7,220
RE: DEER MANAGEMENT OPEN HOUSES
ORIGINAL: bluebird2
That is a fair job of spinning, but I doubt it has the slightest relation to reality If the PGC agreed with your position they would waste all that manpower and money so 30 people could ask questions.
Now that's funny. The two big PGC supporters didn't even know when the open houses were being held.
Lack of attendance at these things tends to indicate that the casual majority is basically satisfied.
We missed the Northwest one Jim!
Study after study has shown that people are 7-10 times more likely to attend public meetings when dissatisfied as opposed to attending whan satisfied.
The money and manpower expended and the resulting light turnout will also serve to deflate claims of lack of transparency in the USP lawsuit.
03-15-2009, 08:44 AM
#13
Giant Nontypical
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: SW PA USA
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RE: DEER MANAGEMENT OPEN HOUSES
ORIGINAL: J Pike
BT ( by the way its funny calling you BT when I called Blue bird BT For so many years ) I think the Crossbow vote was the last straw in most hunters minds when it comes to the worthless PGC. and given up wasting their time with them.
BT ( by the way its funny calling you BT when I called Blue bird BT For so many years )
I think the Crossbow vote was the last straw in most hunters minds when it comes to the worthless PGC. and given up wasting their time with them.
Jeff, Call me BTB not BT.... PLEASE!!!
Ithink what you're suggesting. is that guys have given up. I just can't buy that one.
As for the crossbow vote, itwas flat out wrong! I say that even though I am actually nuetral on the weapon itself. What was wrong IMHO was voting it in against a 90% public response against and without the usual caution and "easing in" that good common sense dictates.
If crossbows were the subject, I think attendance would have been standing room only.
03-15-2009, 09:06 AM
#14
Typical Buck
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Westmoreland County PA.
Posts: 735
RE: DEER MANAGEMENT OPEN HOUSES
ORIGINAL: bluebird2
Sorry to hear you had such a poor turnout. I guess a lot of guys have heard all they want to hear about the current deer management plan.
Sorry to hear you had such a poor turnout. I guess a lot of guys have heard all they want to hear about the current deer management plan.
03-15-2009, 09:23 AM
#15
Fork Horn
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Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Washington County
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RE: DEER MANAGEMENT OPEN HOUSES
ORIGINAL: J Pike
BT ( by the way its funny calling you BT when I called Blue bird BT For so many years ) I think the Crossbow vote was the last straw in most hunters minds when it comes to the worthless PGC. and given up wasting their time with them.
BT ( by the way its funny calling you BT when I called Blue bird BT For so many years )
I think the Crossbow vote was the last straw in most hunters minds when it comes to the worthless PGC. and given up wasting their time with them.
03-15-2009, 09:50 AM
#16
Fork Horn
Join Date: Dec 2008
Posts: 297
RE: DEER MANAGEMENT OPEN HOUSES
ORIGINAL: BTBowhunter
Not quite. As with any event of this nature, no matter the subject, folks who are generally satisfied dont bother much with them. When the majority on any issue is satisfied with the status quo, informational events tend to attract only the diehards on both sides.
Lack of attendance at these things tends to indicate that the casual majority is basically satisfied.
Some guys probably couldn't make it because many taxidermist are finishing up on deer mounts and several hunters had appointments to pick up their deer heads.
ORIGINAL: bluebird2
Sorry to hear you had such a poor turnout. I guess a lot of guys have heard all they want to hear about the current deer management plan.
Sorry to hear you had such a poor turnout. I guess a lot of guys have heard all they want to hear about the current deer management plan.
Lack of attendance at these things tends to indicate that the casual majority is basically satisfied.
Some guys probably couldn't make it because many taxidermist are finishing up on deer mounts and several hunters had appointments to pick up their deer heads.
03-15-2009, 11:48 AM
#17
Fork Horn
Join Date: Feb 2008
Posts: 175
RE: DEER MANAGEMENT OPEN HOUSES
Could it be everyone knows that it's nothing more than a PR ploy ??? Everyone with a lick of sense knows the PGC,including our beloved RSB,could care less about what the hunters in this state feel and want.They would rather have hunters completely out of everything but with the amount of dissatisfaction out there growing,maybe they feel a little lip service and occasional dog n pony show,they can at least claim they're making an attempt.All that being said,i'm planning on attending this one and save my final comments till after.
"I am becoming more and more convinced that wildlife management would be better off if we worked from the general fund and told hunters to take a flying leap with their money." R.S. Bodenhorn - PA Game Commission WCO of Elk County
"I am becoming more and more convinced that wildlife management would be better off if we worked from the general fund and told hunters to take a flying leap with their money." R.S. Bodenhorn - PA Game Commission WCO of Elk County
03-15-2009, 12:02 PM
#18
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 3,879
RE: DEER MANAGEMENT OPEN HOUSES
Study after study has shown that people are 7-10 times more likely to attend public meetings when dissatisfied as opposed to attending whan satisfied.
The money and manpower expended and the resulting light turnout will also serve to deflate claims of lack of transparency in the USP lawsuit.
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03-15-2009, 01:24 PM
#20
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Apr 2008
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RE: DEER MANAGEMENT OPEN HOUSES
That really doesn't mean much and here is an example.
Have ARs increased or decreased the average racks size of 2.5+ buck?
PGC -we don't know if rack sizes increased or decreased.
Why is 2F managed at a higher DD that 2G even though regeneration in 2F is poorer than in 2G?
PGC- I don't know but ,I'll check into it.
Why have statewide breeding rates decreased by 5%?
PGC-We don't use statewide breeding rates to manage the herd so it doesn't matter.
All three questions were answered ,but the questioner only learn the PGC could dodge the questions.
Have ARs increased or decreased the average racks size of 2.5+ buck?
PGC -we don't know if rack sizes increased or decreased.
Why is 2F managed at a higher DD that 2G even though regeneration in 2F is poorer than in 2G?
PGC- I don't know but ,I'll check into it.
Why have statewide breeding rates decreased by 5%?
PGC-We don't use statewide breeding rates to manage the herd so it doesn't matter.
All three questions were answered ,but the questioner only learn the PGC could dodge the questions.