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BTBowhunter 03-13-2009 07:38 PM

RE: Interesting article on Pa Deer Audit
 

ORIGINAL: R.S.B.


ORIGINAL: blkpowder

This is what I found,

www.rand.org/pubs/authors/e/eveland_john_d.html

I found that too and is what I was previously referring to concerning the Rand reports.

But, I still don’t see any bio on this John Eveland and little in the Rand reports that would lead me to believe they have the qualifications to do the kind of audit that would include deer management. Perhaps they could but looking through their listing of topics I don’t see anything even remotely similar in their past reports.

R.S. Bodenhorn
Thats all I found as well. I don't wish to disparage someone whom I know very little about, but it seems fair to ask who is he?

That Street refers to him as the "bear man" and credits him with the current bear plan in PA is suspect at best for two reasons.

First, it is indeed very curioous that no one seems to knowanything of him and most of us are long enough in the tooth to remember the bear program before Alt andshould havehave at least heard the name. RSB, unless I'm wrong, you've been around somewhere close to as long as Alt was havent you? Being an employee, I would think you'd at least know of someone as qualified as Street claims him to be.

Reason two goes to Streets credibility and his obvious published agenda. He has demonstrated his agenda time and again and his bias is unquestionable.He absolutelyhas reason to want the current deer plan to come out looking badbecause he has already drawn his conclusions and made them very public.

Maverick 1 03-13-2009 08:13 PM

RE: Interesting article on Pa Deer Audit
 
John Eveland is both a photographer and ecologist, and as such has blended a profession of art and science. He is an author and popular lecturer, and has been the focus of several major film and television programs and newspaper magazine-section documentaries, including a PBS television documentary on his life as a scientist, artist, and visionary.

As a Scientist
John is a multi disciplined scientist educated in the biological and earth sciences, and is versed in the areas of fossil and alternative fuels, energy development, physics, air and space science, and anthropology and paleontology. He has served on the faculty of Penn State University and as a senior scientist and manager with Westinghouse Electric Corporation before developing his own research, education, and art companies.
As a biologist at Penn State, John conducted the first statewide scientific bear research program ever to be conducted in Pennsylvania. He wrote the state’s first bear management plan, which still remains in effect. The plan included: (1) the closing of the state wide bear hunting season in the early 1970's; (2) permanently reducing the length of the bear hunting season from 1 week to 1 - 3 days only; (3) maintaining the hunting season in the beginning of the week of Thanksgiving; (4) requiring the issuance of permits to bear hunters (5) creating statewide bear management zones; (6) developing aging techniques for bears, including the laboratory method for annular-sectioning of teeth and the extraction of premolar teeth for this purpose; (7) creating a system of statewide bear season check stations. As a result, the state’s bear population has grown from less than 2,000 bears in the 1970's to a current high of over 11,000. Today Pennsylvania prides itself in having one of the nation's most flourishing black bear populations as a result of John's research and management plan, which was fully in place and in operation when John left the bear project to conduct the state's first research on Pennsylvania's elk herd.
Therefore In addition, he conducted the first scientific investigations of Pennsylvania’s elk herd, discovering the nationally-significant brainworm disease relationship in the herd, and writing the state’s first elk management plan -- seeing the herd increase from a low of only 35 elk to a current high of over 600. Recently John designed a 600 square mile four-county Eastern Elk Heritage Park in the north central Pennsylvania area that is occupied by the herd. The Park will feature a 600 acre visitor center including exhibits, gift shop, and cafeteria, education and science institute for wildlife research and for environmental education of families and school children; lodge, cabins, and campground facilities; elk recovery compound; elk driving tours and hiking trails and vistas for observing elk throughout the four-county area. (For more information visit the Terra Cor Connection link).
At Westinghouse, John conducted and directed scientific research on ecology, environmental systems, and energy development throughout North America -- from the northern hardwood forests and rocky coasts of New England to the pine forests of the Carolinas and Louisiana; and from southwest deserts and Rocky Mountains to the boreal forests of Canada and Alaska. John headed the environmental studies on some of America’s largest energy development projects such as fossil fuel, nuclear, geothermal, and solar power generating stations; coal and uranium mines; energy transport systems; and the long-term impacts (biological, air, water, and soil) of fossil fuel emissions. He is a specialist on endangered species and critical habitats throughout North America.
John has conducted studies on energy and the environment in 31 states and provinces, was asked to serve on the energy and environment council in Pennsylvania for a former state governor, and served on the state wildlife planning council. John is considered to be one of America's leading scientists regarding our natural environment, ecology, wildlife biology, and the relationships of energy and the environment.
As an Artist
John's photographs of American wildlife, wilderness, heritage, and the sea have been presented in over 500 exhibits and invitational showings throughout the country, and continue to be distributed worldwide for commercial and residential appreciation and artistic collection. He has been honored with over 40 regional and national awards for his depiction of wild America, and has been the feature of many newspaper and magazine articles, radio interviews and television specials. Although John is most widely acknowledged for his wildlife and wilderness work, his sensitivity for the American heritage and love of the sea are rapidly gaining him acclaim not only as an accomplished photographer, but as a fine artist. His work is currently presented in four collections: wildlife, wilderness, heritage, and the sea. Today, John’s photographs are displayed in thousands of homes, corporate and government offices, and institutions throughout North America, and are represented throughout the world in South America, Europe, Asia, and Australia.

Maverick 1 03-13-2009 08:28 PM

RE: Interesting article on Pa Deer Audit
 
http://www.pgc.state.pa.us/pgc/lib/pgc/blackbear/pdf/bear_plan_2006.pdf

This publication was put out by the PA Game Commission. If you use the search feature in Adobe Reader, you can find several places where Eveland was quoted.

BTBowhunter 03-13-2009 08:31 PM

RE: Interesting article on Pa Deer Audit
 
Thanks Maverick 1

Where were you able to find this bio? Do you have a link?


whoops! posted the above while you were posting the link:)

Maverick 1 03-13-2009 08:32 PM

RE: Interesting article on Pa Deer Audit
 
http://www.pgc.state.pa.us/pgc/lib/pgc/elk/pdf/elk_management_plan.pdf

Here is another PA Game Commission document making reference to Eveland

BTBowhunter 03-13-2009 09:12 PM

RE: Interesting article on Pa Deer Audit
 
The guys resume is impressive but he is not exactly a practicing wildlife biologist.

Both documents Cite Eveland exactly6 times total, three times in each document and the latest thing they used from his work is 30 years old.

Alt is referenced 191 times by comparison.

OK now we know who he is or more accurately WAS. His newest workasreferenced by the commission is 30 years old and I could find nothing referencingany work with deer.

One cant help but wonder why Street would cite a guy who's last referenced work in PA was relevant in the 70's as the "best" candidate to do the deer audit???? How current can this guy be? What are his current credentials?

Streets opinions are most certainly stuck in the 70's.Could it be that thats why he is pushing Eveland?

BTW, By the address and phone number, it seems this guy is practically my neighbor. His phone exchange is entirely contained within 3-10 miles of me. That may allow me to find out a bit more.


BTW Maverick, Where, exactly did you find that Bio? Do you have a link?

BTBowhunter 03-13-2009 09:33 PM

RE: Interesting article on Pa Deer Audit
 
OK Guys here it is!!!

He's a freakin photographer!!!

Here's his link! http://www.johnevelandphotography.com/

his photography looks very impressive andIt appears that he's a very versatile guy and has done work for the PGC but that was......
30 YEARS AGO!!!

I smelled a rat as soon as I saw that Street was the author of the article. Street wants to cut our bow season in half, He wants to spin deer management back in time by decadesas exposed by his writings.

Now what he wants is to have a landscape and wildlife photographer audit our deer program!

Makes the rest of Streets allegations from the article seem pretty shaky as well IMHO.

bluebird2 03-14-2009 03:03 AM

RE: Interesting article on Pa Deer Audit
 

As a biologist at Penn State, John conducted the first statewide scientific bear research program ever to be conducted in Pennsylvania. He wrote the state’s first bear management plan, which still remains in effect. The plan included: (1) the closing of the state wide bear hunting season in the early 1970's; (2) permanently reducing the length of the bear hunting season from 1 week to 1 - 3 days only; (3) maintaining the hunting season in the beginning of the week of Thanksgiving; (4) requiring the issuance of permits to bear hunters (5) creating statewide bear management zones; (6) developing aging techniques for bears, including the laboratory method for annular-sectioning of teeth and the extraction of premolar teeth for this purpose; (7) creating a system of statewide bear season check stations. As a result, the state’s bear population has grown from less than 2,000 bears in the 1970's to a current high of over 11,000. Today Pennsylvania prides itself in having one of the nation's most flourishing black bear populations as a result of John's research and management plan, which was fully in place and in operation when John left the bear project to conduct the state's first research on Pennsylvania's elk herd.
No, he is a trained, professional,wildlife biologist that takes photographs. I believe it is Alsheimer that takes photographs and poses as a biologist!

Maverick 1 03-14-2009 04:40 AM

RE: Interesting article on Pa Deer Audit
 
Nobody is tring to hide the fact that he is also a photographer. That doesn't diminish his credentials any. Really, you're attitude is pretty silly. Don't let what you wish to be true cloud your judgement. If this is all you have to discredit the guy, you are not doing very well.

BTBowhunter 03-14-2009 07:09 AM

RE: Interesting article on Pa Deer Audit
 
I noticed that neither of you acknowledged that the NEWEST reference to his work with wildlife biology is 30 years old.

Unless other evidence is produced to the contrary, this guy is a photographer. One with an impressive background no doubt. But based on what has been produced on this man, it's a highly dubious agenda thatrecommends a guy with 30 year old knowledge and experience who, by the way, very few seem to know of, as THE GO TO GUY for an audit of our deer program.

Questionable at best. With Street as his promoter, the whole thing smells!


Nobody is tring to hide the fact that he is also a photographer. That doesn't diminish his credentials any. Really, you're attitude is pretty silly. Don't let what you wish to be true cloud your judgement. If this is all you have to discredit the guy, you are not doing very well.
Nobody is trying to hide that eh? Where did you get that resume? It's straight from his photography businesswebsite! How'd you manage to leave that out? Bluebird seems to have taught you well grasshopper!


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