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im not sure if many of you know what certain groups are trying to pull off beneath your noses,everyone should read..im all for big deer,but when a certain group is going to try to get the dec,to start telling people that no more spikes,and only mature bucks can be taken,i thought every one should have a say and not just them. http://blog.syracuse.com/outdoors/20..._dec.html#more

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Where did you hear that?

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sorry about that,its at that link.in syracuse news paper. http://blog.syracuse.com/outdoors/20..._dec.html#more at the bottom you read how they say they(most new york sportsmen)feel this way?

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My son lives in Tioga County, N.Y. Here is a copy of the antler restriction report from the DEC which expains what it would take for AR to become statewide and what hunters should expect if it does. http://www.dec.ny.gov/outdoor/27663.html

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we got too much other goin on and now we got this

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yes we do,on syracuse.com outdoor forum,if you post any info on it someone has you deleted,i just wrote to them,and they said they will look into it,now days if they dont agree with you they dont even want to hear you? .http://www.syracuse.com/forums/outdoors/

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Sorry to hijack your thread again, but welcome to PA style wildlife mgt. Next to come will be the HR on a massive scale.

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the only problem is they dont have enough support to make it state wide here,yet?

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The DEC already tells us what we can shoot.

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I find it sickening how many hunters are happy with hunting ONLY when it involves big antlers. Totally stupid in my opinion. The states responsibility is to manage deer numbers and NOT the size of an bucks antlers or to manage a herd for trophy hunters. In the scheme of things antler size means JACK to a deer herd. These QDM bozos try to make it sound like they are the only ones who know what's best for herd when in reality their true intentions are geared to trophy hunters. The statement in the article that "BETTER DEER and BETTER DEER HUNTING equals more economic growth, happier hunters and better science !" is nonesense. Deer hunting is dying a natural death in NYS with fewer and fewer young people being interested. Deer hunting is already good in NYS and I highly doubt bigger buck antlers will be bringing these young people to hunting if it already hasn't.

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That's why I refer to "QDM" as Questionable Deer Management!:DCrazy unnatural amounts of food, vitamin supplements, killing doe like crazy to keep a close ratio and intense competition during rut, "harvest plots", antler restrictions....all to make it EASIER to kill a whopper buck. If easier is what you want, then just get a bait pile and shoot them at night with a rifle. I wasn't aware that we were supposed to keep making it easier to bag big bucks. If I kill a couple of truly big ones in my entire life, they will be very special and hard earned deer that occured naturally and didn't get big on my steroid plot behind the barn. Also name any QDM'er that reccomends maintaining less than 10 owdpsm on their property, but that is what we have in our SGL's and that is supposedly some of the best habitat around. They are a bunch of hypocrites if they support the PGC plan.

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Sorry...I know this is your NY thread, but I hope for the sake of you New York state hunters that you can fight off the impending storm. Don't let them do what they did here. Future generations of hunters will curse you for it. Write and call your legislators, unite your sportsmen's clubs and do everything in your power to fight it. Demand accountability for every claim they make concerning herd health/ habitat, and demand that your voices be heard concerning the direction of deer mgt. No doubt that the Audubon and tree huggers are attempting a takeover there as well.

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well right now they did a test one in the Catskills,and the DEC ,they said that in order to make it state wide,they need less the 20% against it.right now they dont have that few,i have hunted all my life in ny and never heard of it,you cant have 20% if nobody has heard about it.

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I dont get why they dont just make shooting spikes illegal for anyone over 18... A leagal buck should be 2 points on 1 side or more... I see so many spikes in the back of trucks every year.

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Here in CNY, 55% of the 1 1/2 year old bucks are 3 pts or better.
Probably 80% are 2 or more.

Why would you ever want to target these and protect the 20% - makes no sence at all.

Steve

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Since when does shooting bigger deer have only to do with dollars? Hard work will find big deer anywhere. The guys who kill big bucks in NY arent doing it behind high fences, are they?

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I am against AR in NYS I would go back to one buck per hunter for either ML, archery, or gun. This is the way it was back in the late 70's. One buck with any weapon and you are done for the season. Ohio has no AR but you are only allowed 1 per per hunter and Ohio has some pretty good bucks. If some one thinks a spike is a trophy then let him shoot it but thats his buck for the year.

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Wasn't really that way in the late 70's. Maybe you were allowed one buck between the ML, archery and gun tags, this I can't verify since I hunted with gun only back then, but one was also allowed to take an antlered buck on a deer management permit if they so chose. These days one cannot do that with the DMP permit.

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The area of NY i hunt has god awful genetics... About 80 percent of yearlings are spikes, and about half of the 2.5 year olds are as well. Been like that for 20 years ( and only like 10 bucks have been killed in that time)

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So points based AR would target the best genetics and give a possible lifetime pass to those bads ones you say are there.

Does that sound like a good management idea?

Steve

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Don't you live downstate?

DING<DING DING, we have a winner.

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Don't you live downstate?

DING<DING DING, we have a winner.

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Back in the late 70's you were allowed only 1 buck per hunter you received a buck tag and received stamps to archery hunt or ML hunt. Once you shot your buck you were done. All DMP's in the 70's were for anterless deer only and you needed up to 3 people to receive your anterless only tag. Now sometimes in the mid 80's they started giving out DMP's were in certain units you could take an anterled deer, anterless deer or deer of either sex. If I remember correctly it lasted around 3 years. I feel you should be allowed only 1 buck per hunter. Presently if you archery/ML huntyou get to take an additional buck.

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While it is true that you needed up to 3 people to get a DMP in some areas, it is NOT true that they were for antlerless deer only. One could shoot an antlered buck on a DMP for a good many years.

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They did that for a couple years in the mid eighties didn't they?

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i have been hunting lower NY state since the late 60s and do remember the days when you had a chance at an 8 pt or bigger buck. i do miss those days and have been seeing nothing but spikes and 4s for the last 20 years or so.

ARhas been put into effect in my DMU 3j about 3 years ago and it is working, last season is the first season in decades that i have personally seen 7 and 8 piont bucks again and have heard similar reports from other local hunters.

i think AR is a good thing.if you are a meat hunterfor (which i am also) why not just blast a doe and let the 4pt walk? whats the big deal??

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Your not sitting in the right trees then. Late 60's the season wasn't even state wide was it?

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thats correct DMP's were issued sometimes in the mid 80's and were good for antlered deer, anterless deer, or deer of either sex depending on the WMU. All during the 70's they were for anterless deer only!