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Backdoor attempt to legalize baiting in PA?
Just found this on another site
http://www.legis.state.pa.us/cfdocs/legis/PN/Public/btCheck.cfm?txtType=HTM&sessYr=2009&sessIn d=0&billBody=H&billTyp=B&billNbr=261&a mp;pn=0281 Brought to you by the usual suspects....read the last line! PRINTER'S NO. 281 THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY OF PENNSYLVANIA HOUSE BILL No. 261 Session of 2009 INTRODUCED BY HALUSKA, BEYER, CALTAGIRONE, CONKLIN, FLECK, GODSHALL, HANNA, HARHAI, KORTZ, MAHONEY, READSHAW AND WHITE, FEBRUARY5,2009 REFERRED TO COMMITTEE ON GAME AND FISHERIES, FEBRUARY 5, 2009 AN ACT 1 Amending Title 34 (Game) of the Pennsylvania Consolidated 2 Statutes, further providing for unlawful devices and methods. 3 The General Assembly of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania 4 hereby enacts as follows: 5 Section 1. Section 2308(b) of Title 34 of the Pennsylvania 6 Consolidated Statutes is amended to read: 7 § 2308. Unlawful devices and methods. 8 * * * 9 (b) Exceptions.--The provisions of subsection (a) shall not 10 apply to: 11 (1) (i) Any archery sight or firearm's scope which 12 contains and uses any mechanical, photoelectric, 13 ultraviolet or solar-powered device to solely illuminate 14 the sight or crosshairs within the scope. 15 (ii) Except as otherwise provided under subparagraph 16 (iii), no archery sight or firearm's scope shall contain 17 or use any device, no matter how powered, to project or 1 transmit any light beam, infrared beam, ultraviolet light 2 beam, radio beam, thermal beam, ultrasonic beam, particle 3 beam or other beam outside the sight or scope onto the 4 target. 5 (iii) (A) A flashlight or spotlight may be mounted 6 on a firearm to take furbearers if the sole source of 7 power for the flashlight or spotlight is contained 8 within the flashlight or spotlight or on the person. 9 (B) For the purposes of this subparagraph, a 10 flashlight or spotlight mounted on a firearm shall 11 not include a device that projects a beam of laser 12 light to indicate the intended point of impact for 13 one or more projectiles discharged from the firearm. 14 (2) (i) Any political subdivision, its employees or 15 agents, which has a valid deer control permit issued 16 under section 2902(c) (relating to general categories of 17 permits). 18 (ii) Any licensed hunter in cities of the first 19 class, while hunting on private property and using a bow 20 and arrow or crossbow, using bait to attract deer for 21 removal as provided by commission regulations. 22 (iii) Any licensed hunter in special regulation 23 areas, other than counties of the second class, using 24 bait to attract deer for removal as provided by 25 commission regulations. 26 (3) Any artificial or manufactured turkey blind 27 consisting of all manmade materials of sufficient density to 28 block the detection of movement within the blind from an 29 observer located outside of the blind. 30 (4) Any natural or manmade nonliving bait used to 20090HB0261PN0281 - 2 - 1 attract coyotes for hunting or trapping. 2 (5) Any electronic or mechanical device used to attract 3 coyotes for hunting or trapping. 4 (6) Any decoy used in the trapping or hunting of 5 furbearers. 6 (7) Shelled or eared corn. 7 * * * 8 Section 2. This act shall take effect immediately. 20090HB0261PN0281 3 |
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I believe this is to pull deer off of posted property and places where hunting is not permitted. If they do this, PA hunters who don't own land should not even buy a license. Private land owners near SGL and SF will pull the deer to their areas. Kiss hunting goodbye but keep your guns for their main reason we have them.
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I see your concern. However a pile of corn or "bait"will not pull deer off SGL's any better than a clover food plot or corn field or soybean, etc. within the same vicinity. I hunt states that allow baiting and have hunted by that method. This has been "my" experience... bait does give deer a reason to be in areas where they otherwise would not be, however it is not like killing a cow at a feed trough. The one club I belong to has 17 members on 800 acres and there are 11 feeders on that property as well as food plots. Those deer can be patterned pre-season and you have a better chance of harvesting a deer within the first week than later in the season. Those deer do what all deer do, they go nocturnal and only go to those feeders after dark by the time the second week comes oras soon asthey detect human presence.Only twoof those mature 130" buck and above we are allowed to shoot were killed anywhere near a feeder. They prefer the clover/soybean and cornfields and do the majority of their feeding in these places only stopping at the feeders briefly and that is usually at dark. Maybe this is the PAGC'c answer to poor habitat. Let the hunters who want to spend the $ provide the food sources that some areas are lacking in. I feed as soon as I harvest the deer I am after and am finished hunting on my private land and continue to do so up until the 30 day prior season restriction. I also plant food plots that provide food during the time while I am hunting the area while baiting is illegal. Having used both methods I see no benefit of one over the other beside amount of work put into my plots. Both draw deer in and once hunters who do not take scent precautions and spook deer by other mistakes those deer go where they feel safe and where there is less pressure(private land). Baiting is just one variable you need to concern yourself with when it comes to deer leaving an area open to the public. Most private lands near SGL's already draw deer in due to less pressure and human activity, the added food reduces their need to travel far in order to survive.
My issue with baiting is this... It is far worse to raise the carrying capacity of an area and then shut it off instantly. The legalization of baiting will create situations like this by those who only care about feeding the deer long enough to shoot one. For landowners legalized baiting is a benefit in the sense that landowners or leasers will be able to increase and sustain the carrying capacity of their land. For the average hunter who hunts public land, baiting will not increase your chances any more than hunting in a stand of white oaks during the acorn drop. |
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Baiting probably might not have a great impact on deer populations in some areas but it would in others. I have caught a lot of people killing deer over bait and I know darn well that it can be very affective in many types of deer hunting situations. But, perhaps an even bigger problem would be that entire turkey populations could be killed off very quickly with bait. Bear kills would increase to the point I suspect they would have to restrict the number of bear hunters each year. Pheasants are another species that could be entirely eliminated from many areas through the use of baiting. Want to see hunters fighting over a spot just allow someone to go out and bait an area and then try to keep other hunters from setting up on it? Is that what hunting is turning into? Is that the direction we as hunters want it to go? R.S. Bodenhorn |
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ORIGINAL: 4evrhtn I see your concern. However a pile of corn or "bait"will not pull deer off SGL's any better than a clover food plot or corn field or soybean, etc. within the same vicinity. I hunt states that allow baiting and have hunted by that method. This has been "my" experience... bait does give deer a reason to be in areas where they otherwise would not be, however it is not like killing a cow at a feed trough. The one club I belong to has 17 members on 800 acres and there are 11 feeders on that property as well as food plots. Those deer can be patterned pre-season and you have a better chance of harvesting a deer within the first week than later in the season. Those deer do what all deer do, they go nocturnal and only go to those feeders after dark by the time the second week comes oras soon asthey detect human presence.Only twoof those mature 130" buck and above we are allowed to shoot were killed anywhere near a feeder. They prefer the clover/soybean and cornfields and do the majority of their feeding in these places only stopping at the feeders briefly and that is usually at dark. Maybe this is the PAGC'c answer to poor habitat. Let the hunters who want to spend the $ provide the food sources that some areas are lacking in. I feed as soon as I harvest the deer I am after and am finished hunting on my private land and continue to do so up until the 30 day prior season restriction. I also plant food plots that provide food during the time while I am hunting the area while baiting is illegal. Having used both methods I see no benefit of one over the other beside amount of work put into my plots. Both draw deer in and once hunters who do not take scent precautions and spook deer by other mistakes those deer go where they feel safe and where there is less pressure(private land). Baiting is just one variable you need to concern yourself with when it comes to deer leaving an area open to the public. Most private lands near SGL's already draw deer in due to less pressure and human activity, the added food reduces their need to travel far in order to survive. My issue with baiting is this... It is far worse to raise the carrying capacity of an area and then shut it off instantly. The legalization of baiting will create situations like this by those who only care about feeding the deer long enough to shoot one. For landowners legalized baiting is a benefit in the sense that landowners or leasers will be able to increase and sustain the carrying capacity of their land. For the average hunter who hunts public land, baiting will not increase your chances any more than hunting in a stand of white oaks during the acorn drop. they use things that bear like,then go in with crew and drive bear. for years,we gave out corn at our club to feed deer. some guys took it home and them took it out in turkey season and threw some around, this would draw in turkeys. hunters did not need to bait bears this year,THEY SHOT THEM IN DENS BIGTIME THIS YEAR AS THEY FOLLOWED THE TRACKS IN SNOW TO DENS. then they go to check station and make comments like this,IT WAS DANGEST THING, MY BEAR WAS[ BUILDING ]A DEN.. see how some get around laws.[:@] |
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The good part about this though. The does will be able to produce more fawns because they now have food to give healthy births to fawns. As long as they got food,There is no worry about all the deer that get shot around that feeder having an affect on the dead deer giving birth. Something like your dead deer starving Sproul. These are dead healthy deer that are dead and able to produce fawns next year. Your starving dead deer can't produce fawns cause they starved to death from lack of food. See the difference Sproul?
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ORIGINAL: explorer_Jack The good part about this though. The does will be able to produce more fawns because they now have food to give healthy births to fawns. As long as they got food,There is no worry about all the deer that get shot around that feeder having an affect on the dead deer giving birth. Something like your dead deer starving Sproul. These are dead healthy deer that are dead and able to produce fawns next year. Your starving dead deer can't produce fawns cause they starved to death from lack of food. See the difference Sproul? i never saw too much deer being baited in my area over 47 years BUT I DID TURKEYS AND BEAR. |
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ORIGINAL: sproulman ORIGINAL: explorer_Jack The good part about this though. The does will be able to produce more fawns because they now have food to give healthy births to fawns. As long as they got food,There is no worry about all the deer that get shot around that feeder having an affect on the dead deer giving birth. Something like your dead deer starving Sproul. These are dead healthy deer that are dead and able to produce fawns next year. Your starving dead deer can't produce fawns cause they starved to death from lack of food. See the difference Sproul? i never saw too much deer being baited in my area over 47 years BUT I DID TURKEYS AND BEAR. |
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I just dont know about baiting or feeding deer when it looked like the big storm was goona hit us i turned
up feeders alittle and i see the deer have the poops one little mistake makes it harder on the deer if baiting is legal there will be corn/salt block/and everything else out for them in season.how much could that hurt their health just on the food side forget the easer to kill |
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R.S.B. , unless you have a secret stash of pheasants somewhere or you're talking of the few chinese chickens,pheasants in this state have been extinct for a long time !
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ORIGINAL: R.S.B. But, perhaps an even bigger problem would be that entire turkey populations could be killed off very quickly with bait. Bear kills would increase to the point I suspect they would have to restrict the number of bear hunters each year. Pheasants are another species that could be entirely eliminated from many areas through the use of baiting. Is that what hunting is turning into? Is that the direction we as hunters want it to go? R.S. Bodenhorn I want you to know I have nothing personal against you R.S.B. I just express how I feel about our game commission. As far as your question of who will manage the game if the PAGC ceases to exist? I don't care who it is. They won't do any worse for the hunters than the PAGC has as of lately. We will be hunting for years to come, few if anyof us will be alive to see the day hunting is no longer legal, so as far as you guys fighting for our right to hunt... My money goes to the NRA and always will. The NRA has done more for us hunters than the PAGC ever will. |
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Is there any thought to reducing the damage done by the the tiny peckered thread wrecking[&:]bird,is baiting going to be a option that the P.G.C.opens to us.;)
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ORIGINAL: explorer_Jack ORIGINAL: sproulman ORIGINAL: explorer_Jack The good part about this though. The does will be able to produce more fawns because they now have food to give healthy births to fawns. As long as they got food,There is no worry about all the deer that get shot around that feeder having an affect on the dead deer giving birth. Something like your dead deer starving Sproul. These are dead healthy deer that are dead and able to produce fawns next year. Your starving dead deer can't produce fawns cause they starved to death from lack of food. See the difference Sproul? i never saw too much deer being baited in my area over 47 years BUT I DID TURKEYS AND BEAR. It's inteeresting that the same legislators that everyone writes to,hoping they'll save deer,are the same one's tyhat come up with with type of nonsense. |
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ORIGINAL: DougE ORIGINAL: explorer_Jack ORIGINAL: sproulman ORIGINAL: explorer_Jack The good part about this though. The does will be able to produce more fawns because they now have food to give healthy births to fawns. As long as they got food,There is no worry about all the deer that get shot around that feeder having an affect on the dead deer giving birth. Something like your dead deer starving Sproul. These are dead healthy deer that are dead and able to produce fawns next year. Your starving dead deer can't produce fawns cause they starved to death from lack of food. See the difference Sproul? i never saw too much deer being baited in my area over 47 years BUT I DID TURKEYS AND BEAR. It's inteeresting that the same legislators that everyone writes to,hoping they'll save deer,are the same one's tyhat come up with with type of nonsense. http://www.pgc.state.pa.us/pgc/cwp/view.asp?a=458&q=150678 In spring, turkeys eat tender greens, shoots, tubers, left-over nuts |
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Ok,and no where in there does it say turkeys are browsers.Turkeys eat mast,seeds,grain and insects.They don't browse on seedlings.I have seen them nip of the tops of princess pines but they don't browse.And you wonder why the PGCwont listen to you.
What you listedas food are not seedlings. |
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ORIGINAL: DougE Ok,and no where in there does it say turkeys are browsers.Turkeys eat mast,seeds,grain and insects.They don't browse on seedlings.I have seen them nip of the tops of princess pines but they don't browse.And you wonder why the PGCwont listen to you. What you listedas food are not seedlings. To say they have no real affect on habitat is a very idiotic thing to say from a so called know it all. Again google about turkeys eating seedlings. |
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Omnivores. Turkeys will eat insects, salamanders, small frogs, and plants. Their diet changes seasonally.
Spring: They'll eat nearly any available plant, such as grass shoots; sedges; buds, flowers, and leaves of shrubs and trees; the roots, tubers, and bulbs of perennials; dried fruits; and nuts. Spring and summer: High-protein foods, such as insects, spiders, centipedes, millipedes, snails, and slugs are critical to their poults. Adults eat those foods, as well as grasses, seeds, salamanders and frogs. Late summer: Grasshoppers, beetles, crickets, and the fruits and seeds of nearly any plant. Fall: just about any nut or fruit crop, including acorns, beechnuts, hazelnuts, wild cherries, and grapes; waste grain; insects; salamanders, and frogs. Winter: Nuts and seeds; grains, including corn; insects; and snails. They'll often feed where deer have pawed through deep snow and in corn fields, especially if manure was spread on the field, and in spring seeps. |
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Exactly.No where does it say that they browse on seedlings.
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During a severe winter with deep snow turkeys will starve to death while standing in their roost trees. Up in their roost trees they have access an unlimited amount of browse (maple tree buds etc..) They can even fly from tree to tree when the snow is deep. Why do they fall out of the trees dead after two weeks? In the early 90's i found 12 dead turkeys under their roost trees. I guess they forgot to eat browse.
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baiting is not and will never e hunting. You want to say noctunal? Watch how fast the deer acclimate to baiting after the forst day. In MI they used to have a whole crop in the millions just for bait. Truck loads of beets, apples, carrots, pumpkins etc. Just dump loads for baiting. That is called shooting, but the MI hunting community felt they had to steal the guys next door w/ more bait than he had and it goes on and on. No bait hunting!!
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Once again you show where the PAGC's priorities lie. You didn't mention further decimation of our already overly reduced deer herd, instead you express concern over the turkey and bear populations. Both of which are increasing each year while deer decrease. Enough Said! Apparently you either missed the very first sentence or you are just so closed minded that you can’t see anything but conspiracies where clearly none exist. Here is my very first sentence concerning baiting, it is all about how it will adversely affect deer populations in many areas. “Baiting probably might not have a great impact on deer populations in some areas but it would in others. I have caught a lot of people killing deer over bait and I know darn well that it can be very affective in many types of deer hunting situations.” Further more, the Game Commission has always been apposed to baiting deer or anything else, except coyotes (statewide) and deer in one of the special regulations areas where hunter access is a major problem toward hunters being able to harvest enough deer. The very reason they are apposed is to prevent the potential for both over harvest and the spread ofor increased potential for disease transmission. That ship has sailed. When "wild" pheasants did live in PA it has always been in areas that surrounds or is in or nearby farmland. How is bait going to affect the populations of a species that lives on farmland where food is in abundance. Your (PAGC) stocked pheasants are slaughtered without bait, what good would baiting do when the only birds we have are coming from a stock truck and released during season in front of the hunters waiting to hunt them. I feel your pheasant program is a huge misallocation of money, there is no end for the need to stock in sight. You aren't reestablishing a wild population just sticking pen raised birds out into your fields that haven't been planted with food for these pheasants to feed and survive if they escape hunters, hawks, foxes and cats. What is the goal here??? And you say the transition from game only to fish and game won't be an easy one. You are doing exactly what the Fish Commission does in regard to stocking, Actually the fish Commission is producing more of a wild population of fish than the PAGC is with the pheasants. You obviously don’t know much of anything about the past and current wild pheasant reintroduction efforts occurring within this state. There are three areas of this state where wild pheasants have been brought in from the Midwest, released, tracked and monitored. It appears to be very promising. Those birds, and that entire effort to bring wild pheasants back to this state, could easily be eliminated through the legalization of hunting over bait. The statewide pheasant season just ended last Saturday but I have been seeing dozens of pheasants right here in Elk County, (yes we have some great pheasant hunting in this area with plenty of birds left after the stocking ends) as they came into residential bird feeders to find food during these periods of deep snow. Some of those birds survive to reproduce every year. But, they wouldn’t if those people shot them when they came in to eat at the bird feeders during the winter periods when they are still in season. I guess some hunters want to be able to use bait on public lands in some areas where the PAGC has killed off the deer. Maybe the mindset is- "If I put bait out maybe I will see a deer this week" I want you to know I have nothing personal against you R.S.B. I just express how I feel about our game commission. As far as your question of who will manage the game if the PAGC ceases to exist? I don't care who it is. They won't do any worse for the hunters than the PAGC has as of lately. We will be hunting for years to come, few if any of us will be alive to see the day hunting is no longer legal, so as far as you guys fighting for our right to hunt... My money goes to the NRA and always will. The NRA has done more for us hunters than the PAGC ever will. You are entitled to your opinions. I agree that hunting will probably be around for a good while yet, but I believe it has a better chance for the future with the Game Commission and those in support of scientific wildlife management then is has from following and supporting these constantly attacking those principles because they refuse to be educated or objective about the issues. R.S. Bodenhorn |
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Baiting would be a nightmare in the northern tier,especially in the late season,where food is scarce.
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As far as your question of who will manage the game if the PAGC ceases to exist? I don't care who it is. They won't do any worse for the hunters than the PAGC has as of lately Once again you show where the PAGC's priorities lie. You didn't mention further decimation of our already overly reduced deer herd, |
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Only a complete brain dead idiot would read this......
original R.S.B.: “Baiting probably might not have a great impact on deer populations in some areas but it would in others. I have caught a lot of people killing deer over bait and I know darn well that it can be very affective in many types of deer hunting situations.” orignal Cornelius08: Exactly, and even in his last rebuttal he STILL was very noncaring about the potential harm to DEER. Fact is the environmentalists have extreme beliefs. Beliefs that the more deer dead the better. And RSB believes you CANNOT overharvest the deer herd, which is UTTERLY REDICULOUS!!!![:'(] |
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kinda corny of corny
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Corny? Not hardly bowtruck: "Baiting probably might not have a great impact on deer populations in some areas " Really strong statement after at first NOT EVEN MAKING MENTION of it untilbeing pointed out that he didnt...(LOL)[:'(] Real genuine, real strong concern! (LOL)
Compare that to his genuinely stated much greaterconcernof basically wiping out the bear, the turkey, the pheasant etc. Not hard to read between those lines. Especially when the person who is making the comment is well known for his extremism and antideer rhetoric. I am against baiting. Nearly as much as I am against treehugging wcos. |
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ORIGINAL: bowtruck kinda corny of corny  He actually reads pretty good for his kind!! |
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The statewide pheasant season just ended last Saturday but I have been seeing dozens of pheasants right here in Elk County, (yes we have some great pheasant hunting in this area with plenty of birds left after the stocking ends) as they came into residential bird feeders to find food during these periods of deep snow. Some of those birds survive to reproduce every year. But, they wouldn’t if those people shot them when they came in to eat at the bird feeders during the winter periods when they are still in season. |
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thats easy bb the breeding bla bla bla reduced bla bla ars bla bla 2g 2f bla bla bla and dont forget the data bla bla
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Just what did you hope to accomplish with that childish and unintelligible post? RSB claims that deer and turkey can't survive the severe winters in 2G but pheasants can survive because of bird feeders, yet feeding deer is not a good idea according to RSB.
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ORIGINAL: BTBowhunter ORIGINAL: bowtruck kinda corny of corny He actually reads pretty good for his kind!! OH MY:) |
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imho no to baiting of big game
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ORIGINAL: bowtruck imho no to baiting of big game I think most of the guys here agree on that and so does the PGC. This is a cheap shot by a small bunch of jerkweed legislators who can't stop sticking their nose into game management. |
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ORIGINAL: bluebird2 The statewide pheasant season just ended last Saturday but I have been seeing dozens of pheasants right here in Elk County, (yes we have some great pheasant hunting in this area with plenty of birds left after the stocking ends) as they came into residential bird feeders to find food during these periods of deep snow. Some of those birds survive to reproduce every year. But, they wouldn’t if those people shot them when they came in to eat at the bird feeders during the winter periods when they are still in season. Pheasants survive much worse winters in South Dakota. It seem that perhaps the winters don’t limit pheasant reproduction as much as today’s farming methods and hay mowing schedules do. Up here we don’t have much hay mowing so the brooding hens aren’t getting their heads chopped off with a hay mower in early June like they do in most farming areas. Our pheasants spend their springs and summers on reclaimed strip jobs where there not only is no hay mowing but an abundance of grassy cover with plenty of insects. The local Pheasants Forever Chapter is also one of the leading in the nation in money spent on both winter and summer habitat development. In fact I just got back from one of their meetings where they were planning winter work projects for the pubic to get involved in habitat work on both the game lands and private lands in the primary pheasant habitat areas. Having people and groups working together with the Game Commission for the benefits of wildlife, instead of just complaining and undermining, tend to make a pretty positive difference, I guess. R.S. Bodenhorn |
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IF pgc wouldnt give such strong reasons for people to complain, maybe they wouldnt.
Sorry, stocking a few tame pheasants isnt gonna get hunters toturn a blind eye to an ecoextremist orienteddeer plan. FAR more hunters are DEER hunters first and foremost. Carl Roe can point to squirrel and you can point to pheasant, but hunters arent interested in the distraction for the most part.;) |
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Just because hunters don't want something, mean nothing. Remember the cross bow vote.
If DCNR wants baiting, it could become legal on DMAP lands. |
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The statewide pheasant season just ended last Saturday but I have been seeing dozens of pheasants right here in Elk County In the Dakotas the pheasants have the protective cover along streams and ditches with windswept corn fields to provide food. What do the pheasants eat in Elk with 2 ft. of snow cover and no grain fields? |
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ORIGINAL: bluebird2 The statewide pheasant season just ended last Saturday but I have been seeing dozens of pheasants right here in Elk County In the Dakotas the pheasants have the protective cover along streams and ditches with windswept corn fields to provide food. What do the pheasants eat in Elk with 2 ft. of snow cover and no grain fields? Some of those birds survive to reproduce every year. But, they wouldn’t if those people shot them when they came in to eat at the bird feeders during the winter periods when they are still in season. |
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If Elk County is such a great area for pheasants to live and breed, why are hunters allowed to shoot hens? Why do we have an extended season from Dec. 15 until Feb. 7?
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ORIGINAL: bluebird2 The statewide pheasant season just ended last Saturday but I have been seeing dozens of pheasants right here in Elk County In the Dakotas the pheasants have the protective cover along streams and ditches with windswept corn fields to provide food. What do the pheasants eat in Elk with 2 ft. of snow cover and no grain fields? hunting and predators are reason..i was at millers gun shop and talked to lee ann. she said they stocked pheasants on their land and did not hunt them for a week. she said MOST were gone,it had to be fox,coyotes that did it and i would put FOX at top of the pheasant killers. |
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