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livbucks 01-23-2009 07:54 AM

RE: pa crossbow
 
It is the BUCK KILL numbers we are concerned with here. If the kill climbs too high, the gun hunters will complain, and a shorter season will result.
The irony is that the influx of x-gun hunters will be from thepresent gun hunters.

sproulman 01-23-2009 08:19 AM

RE: pa crossbow
 

ORIGINAL: DougE

So,will they use their inlines or crossbows to get that meat?They only have so many tags.I oppose the use of crossbows by able bodied hunters.however,they won't impactthe harvest of does at all.That's controlled by antlerless allocations.

Ibought a TC omega about 5 years ago with the intension of using it during Colorado's early muzzleloaderelk season.i ended up not going to Colorado so I used it here for two seasons and killed two deer with it.It was pretty anti-climatic killing a doe with it in October.Last year,I loaned it to a buddy and never asked for it back.With the exception of a couple older fellas,I dopn't know anyone that has hung up their bow for an inline.
from what i saw at dicks/gander mtn,many bought crossbows already and also in-lines.

here locally, the meat doe hunters wait for early in-line season.
i was shocked at how many old farts bought a in-line even tho they can hunt with gun for 3 days in oct.

why, because you can hunt for a week with in-line,just that little difference sold all those in-lines.

if it was easy to get deer ALL year, i think a lot of these different weapons would not be used.

but its not easy now and i know hunters that spent over 2000 dollars just on weapons, in-lines/crossbows/flintlocks.

they are same hunters i sdat with and said.

HEY SPROUL,I SHOT 32 GROUSE LAST YEAR ROAD HUNTING,BOY DID I GET MEAT LAST YEAR.

well my answer was, HEY ROAD HUNTER BOY,HOW MUCH GAS DID YOU USE TO GET THOSE 32 GROUSE,TURKEYS ARE 99 CENTS A PD AT BI-LOS AND I ESTMATE YOU COULD HAVE BOUGHT 69 TURKEYS FOR WHAT YOU SPENT ON GAS:)

you should have seen face, thinking in his mind,thinking, thinking, thinking,


well, they dont think at all,he thought he was paying for his license and getting free meat.

real KNOTHEADS




DougE 01-23-2009 09:31 AM

RE: pa crossbow
 
I forget the exact amount,but I think muzzleloader stamps doubled when inlines were legalized.It still didn't matter though because the allocations will determine the harvest.Crossbows are a different story because bucks will be legal.Without regulating the number of tags or hunters,that could potentially increase the pre-rut harvest,thus shortening the season.However,It won't impact the overall buck kill much because we're still killing the same percentage of bucks each year.Chances are,that buck that would be killed with acrossbow,would have been killed by someone with a rifle if it lived another month.It's all about preserving the intergrity of bow season and not jeopardizing it's length.

I had some perosnal issues this year with crossbows so I know where you're coming from on that front.I also share your disdain for roadhunters.

sproulman 01-23-2009 10:17 AM

RE: pa crossbow
 

ORIGINAL: DougE

I forget the exact amount,but I think muzzleloader stamps doubled when inlines were legalized.It still didn't matter though because the allocations will determine the harvest.Crossbows are a different story because bucks will be legal.Without regulating the number of tags or hunters,that could potentially increase the pre-rut harvest,thus shortening the season.However,It won't impact the overall buck kill much because we're still killing the same percentage of bucks each year.Chances are,that buck that would be killed with acrossbow,would have been killed by someone with a rifle if it lived another month.It's all about preserving the intergrity of bow season and not jeopardizing it's length.

I had some perosnal issues this year with crossbows so I know where you're coming from on that front.I also share your disdain for roadhunters.
i sight in crossbows here in my area for friends and their friends,something i enjoy.

i have horton for longtime,i love to shoot it in yard..

i do it in my basement for hunters, so i get to talk to a lot about how they are hunting or going to hunt.

a lot think they are heavy, they are too.
a lot think because scope says 60 yds,it will shoot 60yds.
a lot get hurt using them, i had 3 senior hunters that hit themselves in mouth right in front of me in yard.their foot slipped out of the stirrup in front while pulling stringand butt him them in mouth.everyone had bloody tongue from biting.:)

1 young guy shot his unloaded right in front of me, i looked at limbs and there was split,unreal.that cost him 125 dollars.

2 others came in with tips of their finger missing, yes, they put their fingers on top of rail when they got excited in woods,shot, took tip of finger off.:(


cheap crossbows are junk.

barnetts are one that are at bottom but if not shot too much, they are fine.horton/excaliber/10 point are good.


btb said a correct thing, CLASSES SHOULD BE HELD BEFORE ANYONE USES A CROSSBOW.;)

trust me, there is and are a lot of injurys to us and too the deer by people that dont practice and learn with crossbow.

that has been my biggest complaint, wounding deer with long shots thinking bow is a gun.

bowtruck 01-23-2009 03:19 PM

RE: pa crossbow
 

ORIGINAL: livbucks

It is the BUCK KILL numbers we are concerned with here. If the kill climbs too high, the gun hunters will complain, and a shorter season will result.
The irony is that the influx of x-gun hunters will be from thepresent gun hunters.

According to others with more hunters in the woods the buck will
go nocturnal and then noone would get them so the buck kill wouldnt
be too high i think the bigger problem is somebodys worried others can get their trophy

bluebird2 01-23-2009 03:33 PM

RE: pa crossbow
 
I found this on another MB and I don't know if it is true since I no longer get the PGN. can anyone verify this?

In the last few days, someone on this Forum made reference to the latest issue of Pennsylvania GAME NEWS, and the 2008 Big Game Scoring Program. I can not find that reference, but my GAME NEWS arrived today, and I found the scoring program results quite interesting.

Recognizing trophies scored from 2002-2008, I found these two totals eye-opening: 91 typical white-tailed deer trophies were taken with a firearm; 207 typical white-tailed deer trophies were taken with a bow! If I read that correctly, nearly 70% of the typical trophy bucks measured during this latest scoring program, were taken with a bow!

lost horn 01-23-2009 04:11 PM

RE: pa crossbow
 

ORIGINAL: bluebird2

I found this on another MB and I don't know if it is true since I no longer get the PGN. can anyone verify this?

In the last few days, someone on this Forum made reference to the latest issue of Pennsylvania GAME NEWS, and the 2008 Big Game Scoring Program. I can not find that reference, but my GAME NEWS arrived today, and I found the scoring program results quite interesting.

Recognizing trophies scored from 2002-2008, I found these two totals eye-opening: 91 typical white-tailed deer trophies were taken with a firearm; 207 typical white-tailed deer trophies were taken with a bow! If I read that correctly, nearly 70% of the typical trophy bucks measured during this latest scoring program, were taken with a bow!

Yes that is close, but some of the dates goes as far back as 1983 so it's not just 2002-2008, there were 206 with a bow and 91 with a gun.

livbucks 01-23-2009 04:31 PM

RE: pa crossbow
 

ORIGINAL: bowtruck


ORIGINAL: livbucks

It is the BUCK KILL numbers we are concerned with here. If the kill climbs too high, the gun hunters will complain, and a shorter season will result.
The irony is that the influx of x-gun hunters will be from thepresent gun hunters.

According to others with more hunters in the woods the buck will
go nocturnal and then noone would get them so the buck kill wouldnt
be too high i think the bigger problem is somebodys worried others can get their trophy
An assinine comment as x-guns are already allowed in the sra where I bowhunt. I'm truly concerned with season length.

bluebird2 01-23-2009 04:37 PM

RE: pa crossbow
 
The devil is always in the details. Thanks for posting that clarification.

bowtruck 01-23-2009 05:31 PM

RE: pa crossbow
 

ORIGINAL: livbucks


ORIGINAL: bowtruck


ORIGINAL: livbucks

It is the BUCK KILL numbers we are concerned with here. If the kill climbs too high, the gun hunters will complain, and a shorter season will result.
The irony is that the influx of x-gun hunters will be from thepresent gun hunters.

According to others with more hunters in the woods the buck will
go nocturnal and then noone would get them so the buck kill wouldnt
be too high i think the bigger problem is somebodys worried others can get their trophy
An assinine comment as x-guns are already allowed in the sra where I bowhunt. I'm truly concerned with season length.
I to am worried about the season length bein shorten but IMO that
alone shouldnt be the question on crossbows it should be are they enough
like a bow to be a bow they do have a string and bolts/arrows i do wonder
how much of an advantage they have. if pgc doesnt allow them i wont cry
if they do allow i wont cry.
to me if a crossbow is considered a bow it should be legal if it does end
up makein the archery season shorter yes that will stink but if they are bows so be it


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