crossbows in NY state
01-12-2009, 09:46 AM
#31
Giant Nontypical
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: PA.
Posts: 5,195
RE: crossbows in NY state
ORIGINAL: Bernie P.
I'm not really sure how much Xbows will effect harvest rates.A big part of the reason we have such good deer pops now is several years of mild winters but in my area now the temps are running well below normal and snow fall is well above.It only takes one or two harsh winters to put a healthy dent in deer numbers.Same goes for grouse and turkey.It gets pretty tricky to manage pop numbers as they vary widely depending on the area.If they do decide to allow xbows I think it would be best to limit them to the counties in the southern tier that have abundant deer numbers/doe permits for the first few years untill they can get a realistic view of the impact.
I'm not really sure how much Xbows will effect harvest rates.A big part of the reason we have such good deer pops now is several years of mild winters but in my area now the temps are running well below normal and snow fall is well above.It only takes one or two harsh winters to put a healthy dent in deer numbers.Same goes for grouse and turkey.It gets pretty tricky to manage pop numbers as they vary widely depending on the area.If they do decide to allow xbows I think it would be best to limit them to the counties in the southern tier that have abundant deer numbers/doe permits for the first few years untill they can get a realistic view of the impact.
01-16-2009, 11:05 AM
#32
Join Date: Jan 2009
Posts: 169
RE: crossbows in NY state
ORIGINAL: Yankee Doodle
As far as I am concerned, they should. However, this being NY, I wouldn't hold my breath till it is passed.
So, for the record, I feel that all of the following should be legal in any county in the State:
Centerfire rifle,
shotgun,
centerfire pistol,
centerfire revolver,
any muzzleloader,
any bow,
any crossbow.
Just my opinion, but getting it passed in NY is near impossible.
As far as I am concerned, they should. However, this being NY, I wouldn't hold my breath till it is passed.
So, for the record, I feel that all of the following should be legal in any county in the State:
Centerfire rifle,
shotgun,
centerfire pistol,
centerfire revolver,
any muzzleloader,
any bow,
any crossbow.
Just my opinion, but getting it passed in NY is near impossible.
02-15-2009, 11:22 AM
#34
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location:
Posts: 59
RE: crossbows in NY state
Well.. I hunt with my longbow exclusively through all the seasons, including gun season. I have no objections to the use of the crossbow. If it allows more sportsman to continue to hunt, or get more young people into the woods hunting and away from the computer. I'm all for it!
02-20-2009, 05:19 PM
#35
Join Date: Feb 2009
Posts: 1
RE: crossbows in NY state
I just clicked onto this site for the first time. I was surprised to find the comments from the NY wildlife officerswho claimedcrossbows are the ultimate poachers' weapons and they expected to be deluged with problems if they are approved. I suggest they check the stats with their fellow officers in states which have enjoyed crossbow hunting for several years. They are so incorrect as to be an embarassment to their professionalism. Forget emotionalism. Please check facts. We hear enough of the other from the political front.
And as to other commentsthat crossbow shooters will be tempted to shoot 60 yards and beyond, tell me a method out there be it firearm or bow configuration that someone will not attempt to stretch to the absurd. I am familiar with three archery ranges within a couple hours of my home that DO NOT allow crossbow shooters, not because they disagree with their use, but because crossbows are too hard on their standard targets. And all three have targets for standard and compound bowsto 60 yards. One even had a 3-D target at that range someone carried out there. Lack of knowledge, half-hearted practice, and lack of consideration for the game hunted is not restricted to any methodology.
And as a poacher's weapon? Crossbows are too cumbersome to conceal, too awkward to shoot from a vehicle ( unless you want to chance taking out your dash or a window) and Lord knows, way too expensive to even think of chucking.
Just some thoughts from a 70 year old who has hunted several states, many countries, and taken most critters with any and all methods legal in the areas hunted. We need to consolidate our ranks and present a solid front, not a fractured one. When bows went to cams, to 80-per cent letoff, optic sights, jumped speed to over the 320 mark, and states legalized mechanical releases, the differences of whether you hold your unit horizontal or vertical, have quickly evaporated.Just some food for thought.
And as to other commentsthat crossbow shooters will be tempted to shoot 60 yards and beyond, tell me a method out there be it firearm or bow configuration that someone will not attempt to stretch to the absurd. I am familiar with three archery ranges within a couple hours of my home that DO NOT allow crossbow shooters, not because they disagree with their use, but because crossbows are too hard on their standard targets. And all three have targets for standard and compound bowsto 60 yards. One even had a 3-D target at that range someone carried out there. Lack of knowledge, half-hearted practice, and lack of consideration for the game hunted is not restricted to any methodology.
And as a poacher's weapon? Crossbows are too cumbersome to conceal, too awkward to shoot from a vehicle ( unless you want to chance taking out your dash or a window) and Lord knows, way too expensive to even think of chucking.
Just some thoughts from a 70 year old who has hunted several states, many countries, and taken most critters with any and all methods legal in the areas hunted. We need to consolidate our ranks and present a solid front, not a fractured one. When bows went to cams, to 80-per cent letoff, optic sights, jumped speed to over the 320 mark, and states legalized mechanical releases, the differences of whether you hold your unit horizontal or vertical, have quickly evaporated.Just some food for thought.
02-20-2009, 05:38 PM
#37
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: YewNork
Posts: 1,794
RE: crossbows in NY state
How can some of you be for adding xbows during bow season... its so unfair for bow hunters... its hard enough for us but now we have to worry about xbows slaying all the deer. Im for it but only during Rifle and late season.
02-21-2009, 04:27 AM
#38
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Moravia NY USA
Posts: 2,164
RE: crossbows in NY state
How can some of you be for adding xbows during bow season... its so unfair for bow hunters... its hard enough for us but now we have to worry about xbows slaying all the deer.
Isn't a 90+ % letoff compound with a scope, triggered release "unfair" to the compound/recurve shooter?
And I would like to see the proof - not coffee shop/internet rumor that the crossbow has become the poachers weapon of choice anywhere?
Key word here is "proof".
Steve
02-21-2009, 05:06 AM
#39
Fork Horn
Thread Starter
Join Date: Mar 2007
Posts: 186
RE: crossbows in NY state
ORIGINAL: wondering
I just clicked onto this site for the first time. I was surprised to find the comments from the NY wildlife officerswho claimedcrossbows are the ultimate poachers' weapons and they expected to be deluged with problems if they are approved. I suggest they check the stats with their fellow officers in states which have enjoyed crossbow hunting for several years. They are so incorrect as to be an embarassment to their professionalism. Forget emotionalism. Please check facts. We hear enough of the other from the political front.
And as to other commentsthat crossbow shooters will be tempted to shoot 60 yards and beyond, tell me a method out there be it firearm or bow configuration that someone will not attempt to stretch to the absurd. I am familiar with three archery ranges within a couple hours of my home that DO NOT allow crossbow shooters, not because they disagree with their use, but because crossbows are too hard on their standard targets. And all three have targets for standard and compound bowsto 60 yards. One even had a 3-D target at that range someone carried out there. Lack of knowledge, half-hearted practice, and lack of consideration for the game hunted is not restricted to any methodology.
And as a poacher's weapon? Crossbows are too cumbersome to conceal, too awkward to shoot from a vehicle ( unless you want to chance taking out your dash or a window) and Lord knows, way too expensive to even think of chucking.
Just some thoughts from a 70 year old who has hunted several states, many countries, and taken most critters with any and all methods legal in the areas hunted. We need to consolidate our ranks and present a solid front, not a fractured one. When bows went to cams, to 80-per cent letoff, optic sights, jumped speed to over the 320 mark, and states legalized mechanical releases, the differences of whether you hold your unit horizontal or vertical, have quickly evaporated.Just some food for thought.
I just clicked onto this site for the first time. I was surprised to find the comments from the NY wildlife officerswho claimedcrossbows are the ultimate poachers' weapons and they expected to be deluged with problems if they are approved. I suggest they check the stats with their fellow officers in states which have enjoyed crossbow hunting for several years. They are so incorrect as to be an embarassment to their professionalism. Forget emotionalism. Please check facts. We hear enough of the other from the political front.
And as to other commentsthat crossbow shooters will be tempted to shoot 60 yards and beyond, tell me a method out there be it firearm or bow configuration that someone will not attempt to stretch to the absurd. I am familiar with three archery ranges within a couple hours of my home that DO NOT allow crossbow shooters, not because they disagree with their use, but because crossbows are too hard on their standard targets. And all three have targets for standard and compound bowsto 60 yards. One even had a 3-D target at that range someone carried out there. Lack of knowledge, half-hearted practice, and lack of consideration for the game hunted is not restricted to any methodology.
And as a poacher's weapon? Crossbows are too cumbersome to conceal, too awkward to shoot from a vehicle ( unless you want to chance taking out your dash or a window) and Lord knows, way too expensive to even think of chucking.
Just some thoughts from a 70 year old who has hunted several states, many countries, and taken most critters with any and all methods legal in the areas hunted. We need to consolidate our ranks and present a solid front, not a fractured one. When bows went to cams, to 80-per cent letoff, optic sights, jumped speed to over the 320 mark, and states legalized mechanical releases, the differences of whether you hold your unit horizontal or vertical, have quickly evaporated.Just some food for thought.
02-22-2009, 05:59 PM
#40
Typical Buck
Join Date: Jun 2006
Posts: 882
RE: crossbows in NY state
how about a early m/l season flintlocks only side locks @ iron sight for deer hunting in the southern zone
I get tired of the bone they throw you at the end of the seson the deer are spooked temp: freezzing cold and if you post with no drivers you chances in getting a deer are few far between.
I get tired of the bone they throw you at the end of the seson the deer are spooked temp: freezzing cold and if you post with no drivers you chances in getting a deer are few far between.