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bluebird2 12-22-2008 06:56 AM

RE: Rifle season 2008 is history
 
What guys like BTB fail consider are the unintended consequences of excessive herd reduction. Guys that are selling their camps won't come back when the herd rebounds simply because they won't have a place to say and because the tradition has been broken. Even if they could find a motel room , it would be more expensive and it wouldn't be the same as hunting out of a camp. Also, while some guys will still shoot as many doe as the PGC will allow ,many others are now much more reluctant to shoot doe and now there is a whole new generation of hunters that want to protect doe and BB.

Even an area like 2B didn't sell all the permits even with their high human population. If 2G was allocated the same number of tags as 2B ,it would be interesting to see how many tags would be sold and what percentage would be used.

DougE 12-22-2008 07:14 AM

RE: Rifle season 2008 is history
 
And what several generations of hunters fail to consider is the unintended consequences of having way too many deer and easy hunting for so long.

Who are these guys selling their camps to?Won't the new buyers being hunting?

DougE 12-22-2008 07:15 AM

RE: Rifle season 2008 is history
 
Hunting is a dying sportbb2 and it isn't because of no deer.

bluebird2 12-22-2008 07:50 AM

RE: Rifle season 2008 is history
 


ORIGINAL: DougE

And what several generations of hunters fail to consider is the unintended consequences of having way too many deer and easy hunting for so long.

Who are these guys selling their camps to?Won't the new buyers being hunting?
That is simply your opinion and it is not supported by the facts. The facts are breeding rates and recruitment did not improve in 2G, or anywhere else , which means the herd was just as healthy in 2000 as it is now after it has been cut in half and there is twice as much food for the remianing deer.

Hunting is a dying sport bb2 and it isn't because of no deer.

Junior license sales were increasing until 2004, when the effects of HR became quite noticeable. Claiming that the decreased harvests have no effect on hunter participation is denying reality. The number of small game hunters dropped like a rock when the pheasant population was wiped out and a similar decrease is occurring due to reduced deer numbers and much lower harvests.


DougE 12-22-2008 08:40 AM

RE: Rifle season 2008 is history
 
BB,it's not my opinion that the forests of 2G have suffered greatly do to way too many deer.That's a fact and can be backed op by reams and reams of evidence.Reagrdles of how healthy or unhealthy the deer are,the habitat was not.That's also a fact.

Less deer will certainly cause a certain number of people to quit but it's a dying sport,regardless.



bluebird2 12-22-2008 09:02 AM

RE: Rifle season 2008 is history
 

BB,it's not my opinion that the forests of 2G have suffered greatly do to way too many deer.That's a fact and can be backed op by reams and reams of evidence.Reagrdles of how healthy or unhealthy the deer are,the habitat was not.That's also a fact.
No ,it is not a fact ,because the health of the habitat is based on the subjective criteria used to define the health of the habitat. If the health of the habitat was based on the same criteria the deer use, the habitat was healthy prior to the current push for HR. If the criteria is based on the Audubon goals of managing the habitat for the maximum biodiversity, that is a totally subjective opinion based on the goals of that individual stakeholder. DCNR and the forestry industry would base their criteria on the regeneration of commercially valuable timber,which is also highly subjective and may be at total odds with what Mother Nature says should be happening at this sage in our history. All three opinions of what the habitat should look like are valid for each individual stakeholders and the opinion that wins is the opinion with the most political clout.

Less deer will certainly cause a certain number of people to quit but it's a dying sport,regardless.
Deer hunting will still be around long after you and I are pushing up daisies . It will remain the only viable method for controlling the herd for the foreseeable future. But, the question remains as to the point when we we no longer have enough hunters to get the job done.


sproulman 12-22-2008 09:12 AM

RE: Rifle season 2008 is history
 

ORIGINAL: Screamin Steel

Many guys have hung up their hats, due to the low deer numbers. Positives is that the deer will come back. Sadly many of those hunters will not. So some of you can wring your hands in selfish delight, enjoying your new found solitude, tout the loss of the "lazy slob hunters, weekend warriors, etc."..... Maybe that's what the PGC was trying to do all along...weed out the weekend warriors and transform PA into a trophy hunting destination. Well, you should all have no problems now filling your walls with trophies. After all, it IS a competition sport and less competition means more trophies on the wall for me. And we're all for making it easier and easier to harvest trophies. Food plots, mineral supplements, selective harvest.....soon every buck killed will make the record books, for sure!What an accomplishment and such a large and rare specimen of nature that deer will be. And as the herds grow beyond our power to control with our dwindling numbers, leading to mounting environmental and social pressures to reduce the herd again and PETA and their buddies come calling, then will we miss the strength of our numbers?

respectfully, i did not see a decrease of hunters here in clinton county,WMU2G of pa.

i seen more hunters second week, MEAT HUNTERS than i saw in about 10 years or so.

i saw crews drive deer for days and got no doe or even saw doe.:)

i saw bear hunters, 20 in gang that drove my area and close area to mein bear FOR 3 DAYSand said they saw 7 deer,3 bucks and 4 doe,NO FAWNS, NONE.:(


yet all these hunters came here to hunt this year.

a lot did not even know where they were going.

some said, WE SAW 3 DEER, A WHOLE HERD OF THEM in in-line season,right, now 3 deer are herd:eek:

so, they came BACK to kill those 3 deer,it was 2 deer as 1 was killed in the in-line season.:eek:


yet, they tell me they have 28 deer in their yard around harrisburg area,then come here to kill a doe[:@]


they like to use this to me too,HEY SPROUL WHERE DO YOU THINK YOU ARE GOING,WE ARE PUTTING DRIVE ON.

sproulman 12-22-2008 09:27 AM

RE: Rifle season 2008 is history
 

ORIGINAL: DougE

No he doesn't.He wants more deer and easier hunting at the expense of the habitat.Anyone that hunts 2G and can't find deer either isn't hunting or they don't know how.


BTBowhunter 12-22-2008 09:32 AM

RE: Rifle season 2008 is history
 

ORIGINAL: Screamin Steel

Why? Strike a nerve? I like the avatar pic. You sure "grow" 'em big in Illinois!
Not a nerve. More like a funny bone:D

Glad you like the pic!:D

We don't 'grow' em big. We simply let em grow up! maybe you're starting to get it after all?

DougE 12-22-2008 09:40 AM

RE: Rifle season 2008 is history
 
Sorry Sproul.I could have harvested a buck every dayI hunted in rifle season this year.Last year was the same.Actually it was even better as far as total deer sightings.This yearI was too late and didn't get dmap tags for the places I really wanted to hunt.


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