Show me where they said the herd was below the goal in 2003.

The goal for 2G was 15 DPSM. here are the PS deer densities for 2004.

Table 8. Pre-hunt deer density
(deer per square mile) by WMU, 2004
to 2005 Pennsylvania. NOTE: Deer
densities are used for monitoring
population trends and are not used
for setting management goals.
WMU Oct. 2004 Oct. 2005
1A 24 25
1B 24 27
2A 38 40
2B 30 36
2C 22 20
2D 33 32
2E 29 32
2F 27 22
2G 16 12
3A 28 28
3B 28 28
3C 28 24
3D 20 19
4A 23 18
4B 23 19
4C 31 28
4D 22 21
4E 21 26
5A 19 15
5B 21 21
5C 33 32

Pleas note that in 2004 there were only 16 PS DPSM in 2G and in 2005 it dropped to 12 PS DPSM.

Curious, WTF does a half a deer look like?

It obviously depends on which half you are looking at. didn't you ever look at a deer?

I would be curious to see what those figures are for this year. Probably worse in most areas. The problem as I see it is multi layered.
1. Habitat. Yes 2G has acres and acres of state forest land. And most of these areas need to be cut. Problem is the terrain is too steep in most places to log out. And the tops of the mountains are nothing but mountain laurel.
2. This year the mast crop was horrible. Very few acorns in the areas I hunted in 2G and 4E.
3. Licenses and hunters. The PGC has alloted too many anterless licenses for too many years. And most hunters feel they just have to fill them. There needs to be lower allocations or hunters have to stop filling ALL their tags just because they have them.

I believe it was back in the 50s when anterless hunting was stopped for 2 years.

In 70s I believe it was.

Also the PA land area is 45,000 SQM and they give out over million doe tags and take in the numbers of bucks harvested and that wipes out your deer herds quite fast over 5 years of deer being slaughtered.And yes it is the PGCs fault and not the hunters who recieves the tags. If I buy a tag I am going to use it. Believe this or not. 95% of people who get doe tags are going to attempt to fill them.
Don't blame us,blame the PGC for the tags issued. AsI told a friend of mine from school who said they was going to burn their doe tag. I told him a waiste of money because to many tags given out and the few tags that are burnt is not going to make a difference on publicland one bit.

Cardeer...........................is that you????


I don't post here much anymore - Ididn't recognize you by 156 posts.

FH

Yea farm hunter the real deal

That's interesting BT because I can't find a link with that table.I do however have the annual report from 2003.On table 2 it shows that 2G had a MINIMUM owdd of 12 dpsm.The goal for 2G was 15 dpsm and they were saying that the minimum was 12.That does not mean allor even most of 2G was below the goal.

Here is the link to the AWR.

http://www.pgc.state.pa.us/pgc/lib/p...e/21001-05.pdf

Apparently the 12 OWD in 2003 was the actual number of OWD and not the minimum. So it is pretty obvious hat they reduced the herd in 2G from the goal of 15 DPSM to 8 r 9 OWD PSM in 2006. Therefore, it is also obvious that the habitat in 2G can support more than 15 DPSM ,since breeding rates and productivity didn't increase as the herd was reduced.