pa antler restrictions yes or no?
12-09-2008, 03:11 PM
#241
Fork Horn
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: West Virginia
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RE: pa antler restrictions yes or no?
ORIGINAL: bluebird2
Here is a news flash, BB eat as much as female fawns Update to the news flash, herd reduction is based on reducing the number of over wintering deer If you save enough buck so the harvest doesn't exceed recruitment ,the herd is not reduced.
ORIGINAL: livbucks
It is patently stupid to use the harvesting of buttons as a tool to reduce the herd. They would have dispersed from your area anyway, not to mention the obvious male gender part of ineffective HR results.
Spite will eat at you from the inside.
It is patently stupid to use the harvesting of buttons as a tool to reduce the herd. They would have dispersed from your area anyway, not to mention the obvious male gender part of ineffective HR results.
Spite will eat at you from the inside.
Your usually killing more than one deer if you take a doe after the rut.
12-09-2008, 04:04 PM
#242
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 3,879
RE: pa antler restrictions yes or no?
Those that want to protect BB are only interested in the short term increase the number of buck. They don't care about the health of the herd,the future of deer hunting or anything other than getting their buck.
12-09-2008, 04:08 PM
#243
Giant Nontypical
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: SW PA USA
Posts: 7,220
RE: pa antler restrictions yes or no?
Actually Matt, Dr Krolls studies do indicate that the true genetic potential of a buck cant be determined till 4.5.
That being said, Bluebird has taken the results of Dr Krolls work and twisted it 180 degrees.
The study's findings were that a spike or otherwise small rack on a 1.5 deer was typically related to the time of his birth and subsequent develpoment each season till he reached 4.5.
The conclusions of that study were that a deer with small spikes as his first rack was likely born later in the spring than his 8 point cousin. That late start is likely to keep that buck behind until approximately 4.5 when he eventually catches up. Not too much unlike the kid in seventh grade who is a foot shorter than his buddies but by the time he graduates he might indeed be the biggest kid inhis peergroup.
The conclusions were that 1.5 spikes were no more likely to be genetically inferior. Bluebirds conclusions were his spin on the real science.
That being said, Bluebird has taken the results of Dr Krolls work and twisted it 180 degrees.
The study's findings were that a spike or otherwise small rack on a 1.5 deer was typically related to the time of his birth and subsequent develpoment each season till he reached 4.5.
The conclusions of that study were that a deer with small spikes as his first rack was likely born later in the spring than his 8 point cousin. That late start is likely to keep that buck behind until approximately 4.5 when he eventually catches up. Not too much unlike the kid in seventh grade who is a foot shorter than his buddies but by the time he graduates he might indeed be the biggest kid inhis peergroup.
The conclusions were that 1.5 spikes were no more likely to be genetically inferior. Bluebirds conclusions were his spin on the real science.
12-09-2008, 04:21 PM
#244
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Apr 2008
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RE: pa antler restrictions yes or no?
The study's findings were that a spike or otherwise small rack on a 1.5 deer was typically related to the time of his birth and subsequent develpoment each season till he reached 4.5
12-09-2008, 04:26 PM
#245
Fork Horn
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Location: West Virginia
Posts: 104
RE: pa antler restrictions yes or no?
ORIGINAL: bluebird2
Those that want to protect BB are only interested in the short term increase the number of buck. They don't care about the health of the herd,the future of deer hunting or anything other than getting their buck.
Those that want to protect BB are only interested in the short term increase the number of buck. They don't care about the health of the herd,the future of deer hunting or anything other than getting their buck.
12-09-2008, 04:28 PM
#246
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Apr 2004
Posts: 3,236
RE: pa antler restrictions yes or no?
You know even less than I thought you did.
A late born fawn is generally born to a doe that was a fawn herself when impregnated. This not only puts the buck at a later time of birth, but also a lesser birth weight and nutritional condition.
A late born fawn is generally born to a doe that was a fawn herself when impregnated. This not only puts the buck at a later time of birth, but also a lesser birth weight and nutritional condition.
12-09-2008, 04:32 PM
#247
Fork Horn
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Location: West Virginia
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RE: pa antler restrictions yes or no?
ORIGINAL: livbucks
You know even less than I thought you did.
A late born fawn is generally born to a doe that was a fawn herself when impregnated. This not only puts the buck at a later time of birth, but also a lesser birth weight and nutritional condition.
You know even less than I thought you did.
A late born fawn is generally born to a doe that was a fawn herself when impregnated. This not only puts the buck at a later time of birth, but also a lesser birth weight and nutritional condition.
12-09-2008, 04:36 PM
#248
Nontypical Buck
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RE: pa antler restrictions yes or no?
Congratulations, you finally got something right. Now all you have to explain why it takes 4 years for those buck to over come the effects of being late born. Kroll couldn't do it, you can't do it and no one else can do it.
12-09-2008, 04:41 PM
#249
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Apr 2004
Posts: 3,236
RE: pa antler restrictions yes or no?
ORIGINAL: Cookie4
Still killing the other deer(or more)therefore getting rid of more than one
ORIGINAL: livbucks
You know even less than I thought you did.
A late born fawn is generally born to a doe that was a fawn herself when impregnated. This not only puts the buck at a later time of birth, but also a lesser birth weight and nutritional condition.
You know even less than I thought you did.
A late born fawn is generally born to a doe that was a fawn herself when impregnated. This not only puts the buck at a later time of birth, but also a lesser birth weight and nutritional condition.
12-09-2008, 04:49 PM
#250
Giant Nontypical
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: SW PA USA
Posts: 7,220
RE: pa antler restrictions yes or no?
ORIGINAL: bluebird2
Congratulations, you finally got something right. Now all you have to explain why it takes 4 years for those buck to over come the effects of being late born. Kroll couldn't do it, you can't do it and no one else can do it.
Congratulations, you finally got something right. Now all you have to explain why it takes 4 years for those buck to over come the effects of being late born. Kroll couldn't do it, you can't do it and no one else can do it.
