Mountain lions in PA!
12-15-2008 | 07:41 AM
#162
Typical Buck
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From: Central PA
RE: Mountain lions in PA!
ORIGINAL: BTBowhunter
4evrhtn
I did not mean to imply in any way that you placed that track there!
I merely made an observation that it looked to be too perfect. I still say that. I had no idea of the circumstances surrounding that track. Who photgraphed it? Did you see it in person? Was the PGC or some other organization or experts called in todocument it?
ORIGINAL: 4evrhtn
I also checked the link BB posted. I see the angle you mention but not every single animal steps with even pressure. I assure you and BT Bowhunter these tracks were not made by me. I don't carry a cougar paw around in my pocket when pheasant hunting to leave impressions and take pictures for something fun to do. I have written before, I have nothing to gain from posting fake pics and why would I?
I also checked the link BB posted. I see the angle you mention but not every single animal steps with even pressure. I assure you and BT Bowhunter these tracks were not made by me. I don't carry a cougar paw around in my pocket when pheasant hunting to leave impressions and take pictures for something fun to do. I have written before, I have nothing to gain from posting fake pics and why would I?
I did not mean to imply in any way that you placed that track there!
I merely made an observation that it looked to be too perfect. I still say that. I had no idea of the circumstances surrounding that track. Who photgraphed it? Did you see it in person? Was the PGC or some other organization or experts called in todocument it?
. Just a head's up of what's coming....
12-15-2008 | 09:15 AM
#163
Giant Nontypical
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From: PA.
RE: Mountain lions in PA!
ORIGINAL: 4evrhtn
I was the one who took the pic using my cell phone. I was hunting with another guy and he can verify the location of and the validty of it.I can send you his phone number in a PM if that would help.I sent the pics to my brother who has 2 friends in the PAGC central office at Elmerton Drive.They told him they were going to have their bioligists look at it. So far, no word from them. As far as trying to document it by an outside source there was no way for me to do it. We walked down the road leading from a corn field where the farmer had his harvester. After we crossed the creek the farmer came out across the field on his tractor and drove across the creek and up that road. The tracks were probably covered at that point, if I had been there any later than I was I would not have had a chance to see it. I have never seen a print nor a mtn lion in the wild for that matter. It amazes me, the print is too good? If it was a poor print everyone would claim it isn't a cougar. No winning with this group. And to be honest I don't care. Everyone wanted some sort of proof, I provided what I found and now the forensic experts claim there are finger prints and question the weight of a cat in comparison to a tractor. With that logic I guess my shorthair weighs more than my Tundra because you can see clear prints from his paws in the mud I have driven through with my truck. Really... WTF?? But then again I consider source of that implication. Believe it or not, doesn't matter to me, I know what I saw and I have the pics. For everyone's info... my next project is to fake Bigfoots prints and post them here. Just a head's up of what's coming....
ORIGINAL: BTBowhunter
4evrhtn
I did not mean to imply in any way that you placed that track there!
I merely made an observation that it looked to be too perfect. I still say that. I had no idea of the circumstances surrounding that track. Who photgraphed it? Did you see it in person? Was the PGC or some other organization or experts called in todocument it?
ORIGINAL: 4evrhtn
I also checked the link BB posted. I see the angle you mention but not every single animal steps with even pressure. I assure you and BT Bowhunter these tracks were not made by me. I don't carry a cougar paw around in my pocket when pheasant hunting to leave impressions and take pictures for something fun to do. I have written before, I have nothing to gain from posting fake pics and why would I?
I also checked the link BB posted. I see the angle you mention but not every single animal steps with even pressure. I assure you and BT Bowhunter these tracks were not made by me. I don't carry a cougar paw around in my pocket when pheasant hunting to leave impressions and take pictures for something fun to do. I have written before, I have nothing to gain from posting fake pics and why would I?
I did not mean to imply in any way that you placed that track there!
I merely made an observation that it looked to be too perfect. I still say that. I had no idea of the circumstances surrounding that track. Who photgraphed it? Did you see it in person? Was the PGC or some other organization or experts called in todocument it?
. Just a head's up of what's coming....
thank you for being honest,many believe you.
i too,some dont believe i saw a COUGAR
but i did and waited for the WCO to call me at site i saw it and he did not seem interested and said,SPROUL THEY DONT EXIST.but he did say, I DESCRIBED A COUGAR EVEN THO I TOLD HIM IT LOOKED ORANGISH AND RAN LIKE ONE OF THOSE ORANGE MONKEYS IN AFRICA
he said that is called TAWNY.
i gave this to cougar network,john lust to look at.
you gave it to the PGC , great, lets see what they tell you it is.
i know they do because i saw one.
12-15-2008 | 09:57 AM
#165
Fork Horn
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From: NY
RE: Mountain lions in PA!
I just want to point out that the weight of the tractor doesnt even factor in here. Mud is still mud even if you drive through it with a tractorunless it is starting to dry out. As a trapper, I always check the tractor roads for coyote and fox tracks. I have many hundreds of times seencoyote and fox tracks deep into a tractors track. By the way that is a wagon tire track in the picture.
12-15-2008 | 10:26 AM
#166
Nontypical Buck
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RE: Mountain lions in PA!
The tractor didn't drive through mud. If it was mud the tires would have sunk in and created ridges along the edges of the track. BTW, if you don't think the weight of a tractor doesn't compact the soil, you don't know much about farming.
12-15-2008 | 02:07 PM
#167
Fork Horn
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From: NY
RE: Mountain lions in PA!
Of course a tractor compacts soil. Depending on the conditions itmay compact it very little.As the soil driesthere will be more compaction.Thats why the animal track is so deep, the wet soil (mud) is still wet.There is very little compaction in mud. even if it is not deep, like in the picture. I worked on a farm for 18 years I think I should know.
12-15-2008 | 02:35 PM
#169
Giant Nontypical
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From: SW PA USA
RE: Mountain lions in PA!
Arguing that the track can't be real because it's over a tire print is silly. We all see tracks of many kinds on top of tire tracks. A raccoon cam ake a print right in a truck tire track. Tractor tires are made to "float" or distribute the weight of the machine so that the tires don't sink in soft earth or mud. It is very plausible that any animals track could show up in a tire track like that.
4evr, you say you came upon the track yourself. I asked that specifically because we get so many stories that are second, third, fourth,.... twenty seventh hand accounts of "the facts". You've never given any of us a reason to think you would lie on here that I've seen so my interest just went up a notch or two. It's a shame theprint got destroyed before you could document it. The problem is that we've still not been able to get confirmation even when credible people see or believe they saw something.
4evr, you say you came upon the track yourself. I asked that specifically because we get so many stories that are second, third, fourth,.... twenty seventh hand accounts of "the facts". You've never given any of us a reason to think you would lie on here that I've seen so my interest just went up a notch or two. It's a shame theprint got destroyed before you could document it. The problem is that we've still not been able to get confirmation even when credible people see or believe they saw something.
12-15-2008 | 02:43 PM
#170
Typical Buck
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From: Central PA
RE: Mountain lions in PA!
You have been on here long enough to know Bluebird is an expert at everything when it comes to having a PAGC stat or report to quote. Here he does not and it is apparent he is limited when having to rely on his own common sense to start an argument. I explained to him the weather conditions and apparently he is also an erosion expert as well as a meteorologist (which explains why he is wrong once again). The day before I hunted the area the temperature was warming up and the area where this pic was taken is in a hollow next to a creek and it is swampy there. That day (before I hunted) was when I believe thetire tracks were made.The paw prints could have been made later in the day or earlier the morning we hunted. The day we hunted there the ground was soft and it was warmer still. My 60 pound shorthair made tracks in the same terrain and his prints were also deep and very distinguished on this "compacted soil". Common sense dictates an object of a smaller surface area will make a more pronounced impression in soil than an object much heavier with a greater surface area spreading the weight over a wider surface. But, Mr. Agricultural Farm Equipment Tire Expert and Expert Scout Tracker knows exactly what the conditions were the day the pic was taken without ever stepping foot within miles of the area. Amazing! Don't waste your time debating with him, it's no use.