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Doing pretty good BT.Saw a decent amount of deer the first weekend but this heat slowed things down.Tonight was the night to be out but I couldn't make it.
How's the hunting been for you?

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hey ,stop that you are acting to much like me:D

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What else can be expanded for the youths at this time. The kids got early squirrel,pheasant,turkey,and deer maybe crow season.

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"Davie Crocket's flintlock in muzzleloader season.....but we gotta still carry 200 year old technology"

nothing funner than getting one with the old "flinch-lock" in fact I think I am more accurate with a bow than muzzle blaster, but just let the deer get close enough for powder burns... plus when they miss fire they work even better as a club ;)

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In all my years hunting, my bow has always "gone off" when I wanted it to;)

Isn't it funny how whitetails stand and stare at that white smoke cloud from the pan of a flintlock for exactly one second less than it takes to reprime and fire again?

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It's been a little slow. I was out several times for the early do only season in 2B and saw plenty of young bucks and one possible shooter but no shot opportunities at does. Had some bucks in since regular season opened but theye were small or came in atO. dark thirty. I did finally manage to let the air out ofa doe this past week. We were OUT of venison.

Taking the kids up to camp next week for early muzzy/ kids doe season and then I'm off to Illinois the folowing week. I'm getting great reports on lots of nice bucks on our lease out thereWe spent a few bucks and planted over 30 acres in various food plots and the deer are piling in from the adjoining properties.

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i went out grouse hunting today.

i forgot it was early muzzleloader opening.

i swear there was more hunters out today than first day of regular deer season.

i heard about 5 shots from 8 am to noon.

i had doe standing along rd as i was hunting culverts,i bet 6 vehicles with muzzleloaders ready went by and never saw that doe,they were looking at me and dog and did not look to left.

after awhile, i coughed real loud:Dand that doe left in hurry.

1 truck said they saw 1 deer all morning riding and next said they saw 7.`others looked at me like i was nuts to be out in woods with dog during deer season.



on privateland ,i heard that over 40 shots were heard at 8 am area,i never knew they could load those in-lines that fast, they did.

neighbors called the police because shooting was real close to our homes.

well, there went my 5
deer that were in my yard.:(

why do some hunters have to be unsportsmanlike and hunt pet deer near your homes,it cant be challenge.[:@]

like shooting the ladys geese up the street last month.

what fun is it to shoot a tame goose?:eek:

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get any grouse?

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I hunted 5C today and didn't hear a single ML shot and didn't see another hunter. The PGC brags about increased hunting opportunity ,but with a decreased herd it is really not abenefit . it just means fewer hunters hunting fewer deer for a longer time period with lower harvests.

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no, toby flushed 1 grouse and 2 woodcock.

i did not see 1 acorn today here in clinton county/centre county on rt144.

2 years ago grouse hunting was great, now not so good..


germain, you would not believe the shots i just heard at 9;45pm coming from large private property near my home.around 11 shots.

i have not heard that before at night.

i bet, just guess that those doe took a big hit tonight on that property.

MEAT is driving hunters nuts, right now.

well, i will have to call the WCO again on monday.:eek:

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bb, i hunt clinton countytoday, this is wmu2g.

i never saw so many hunters with in-lines as today.more than first week of deer.

i also did not see a deer killed but i did see 2 doe while hunting grouse.

i did hear 5 shots way far away.

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I'm not sure how much participation this early muzzy season gets.

Heard one muzzy shot about sunset time in 2D where we were. The one kid had PSAT's in the morning and the other had work so we got out with the muzzy's in 2D in the afternoon. deer already out in the fields everywhere at 2:30 PM on the way to dads place. Sat with the 16 year old with the video camera while he had the inline. No deer where we'd seen a minimum of 5 per night every time he had the bow. The older son had 5 come through but they came through on the one trail witha farmhouse beyond the only opening. One of those 90% safe shots but I'm proud to say that my boys only go for 100% safe shots. Very few oaks on dads place but we saw a couple limits of squirrels where there are typically very few.

We'll be up at camp hunting in and around the ANF with inlines or bows this Friday and Saturday and if the last few years are any indication, we'll pretty much have the woods to ourselves.

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i would say it was about 50/50 on in-line muzzleloader hunting in clinton/centre county,i mean, 50% were in woods hunting ,other 50% riding roads.

i saw 2 guys going with a bow /gun on their backs and climbing treestands.

i wanted to take their pictures for us to see but they did not want their pictures taken.

they looked like the eskimos in alaska all bundled up,you could hardly see their faces.:D

they said they were going to kill a buck/doe each.:D

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Still waiting for those coyote pics

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We "Alpha" hunters like hunting coyotes: :D



Another....


Already had those 2on line.

Making 40 or 50 callingsets between killsand hunting all hours of the night for the smartest animal in Pa kinda makes deer hunting seems easy. Even in a state with a miserably failed deer program.;)

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pm your address ,i will mail them.

i tried everything to get my name off pictures.

i dont think i can e-mail them after i put them on scanner to you, i could try but i bet to dark.

anyone know if i can erase info on these on the pics and guide me thru it.

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really sproul.You guys need to start reporting this stuff.
I'd report their sorry arses at the drop of the hat.Been there done that.

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Real hunters shoot their yotes with a bow;)

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One month so far,everyday bow hunting and 2 days so far of muzzy. Seen 5 deer total.Only one shooter.A mature doe.Not one Buck.Lets slaughter some more doe in 5c.I want the 70's back of 40 deer per. sg mile.And not one starved.I would like to see only one deer per hunter allowed per year.I now this is a pipe dream.Cant wait for gun season to open in WV.Maybe they aint huge antlers,but at least you see something except hunters and chipmuinks

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I am curious as to what area of 5C you are hunting. I'm hunting near the Bucks/Northampton Co. line and it has been really slow and hunting pressure is down a lot from last year.

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you are correct .lucky you are on this site,if you were on huntingpa. site ,you would be banned.

this is what i like being here,you can tell TRUTH and not be banned.

here is another good one.

we got the first week of the combined doe/buck week closed to doe hunting here in WMU2G.

what do hunters going to do.
they are pulling their kids out of school on thursday/friday this week so they can have 3 days of doe killing.

see how we get around everything we try to do.

kids used to wait until buck/doe season to go after a doe.

only way this maddness is going to stop is going back to 3 day of doe after the buck 2 week thing.MAKE IT KIDS ONLY CAN SHOOT A DOE IN WMU2G,no fill freezer gangs.

i never saw things as bad as this year in WMU2G clinton/cameron/potter county on deer numbers.

i never saw so many hunters out saturday hunting doe and i bet this saturday ,if rain holds off will be bigger than the first day of deer here in clinton county.

you should have seen the MEAN looking faces of some of hunters on saturday that looked at me hunting grouse,the MEAT is driving some crazy.

i am not taking my dog out the rest of week until these meat hungry fill the freezer hunters are out of woods.[:@]

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Sproul
I like ya buddy but man you paint a dismal picture up there in 2G. :D
Nothing but a bunch of meat hungry outlaws forcing children to break the lawand be unethical. And here I though city slickers were supposed to be the scumbags. ;)

and as far as huntingpa goes...that place has gotten to be about as worthless as it gets anymore.[:'(] Shame really, some REAL nice fellas on there, but wading thru all the bitter disgruntled people has gotten old, real old. Similar to what happens with any PA themed thread here, but the "block" button makes reading these threads SOOOO much easier:D[8D]

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ok, maybe i will lay off the TRUTH of what i see at times, maybe post some nice things i see for awhile, not to long tho;)

you should see my meat hungry neighbor,i have 8 deer in my yard and he is drooling trying to find a way to shoot a couple.[:@]

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It really is a shame how people get over a deer. I think a lot of us have seen or heard it all in terms of fist fights, shooting into the neighbors yard, stealing a deer from a kid, type stories.

We've had our fair share of poachers and such in my area. Thankfully a couple of guys got together a few years back, caught them and gave them a good old fashioned "talkin to". ;)

Those are the type of people that give hunters a bad name. Too many times I hear the term "mindless redneck" come up when the subject of hunting is brought up.

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"Real hunters shoot their yotes with a bow"

Then I aint a "real" hunter! (LOL) Id rather call em and shoot 'em with my 17 Rem. anytime instead of "accidentally" having one blunder by my deer stand, archery or otherwise.

Wouldnt be bad for the fun of it in states like Texas, etc. to call with the bow once in awhile just for kicks. Here in Pa, with 1/10th the density and highly educated dogs, to do so regularly here, would be borderline madness.:D

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Maybe with patience and time.....

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you are right.

i know some that make statements like,IF YOU THINK WE ARE GOING TO LET THE OUT OF AREA HUNTERS COME INTO CAMPS AND KILL OUR DEER, YOU ARE CRAZY.:eek:

dont forget to add note left on my truck window telling me they dont want to see me hunting in their spot next year.

i only hunted that area for 47 years[:@]

rybo, i am trying to be postive, trust me, i will find something good to talk about soon.:D

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Just for fun . The total deer taken in wv in 2006 was 137,581. Doe allocations in pa this year 865.000. eye opener aint ???? My wife and I just take 2 and 3day trips to WV just to see deer.We time the trip so we arrive at daybreak and cruise a country road real slow. 15 miles later 100 plus deer standing all over the meadows ,sides of the road, in yards.Some mightmake jokes about them hillbillies.But hey they know how to make sure the tax paying hunting has a great chance at a deer.Some would say oh but just sitting in the woods and not seeing deer all year is cool. Lookin at trees sunrises, sunsets.Hey I can stay home and sit on my porch and see That.I think the game commission needs to put together a advisory board .And the members should be real hunters, that actually get out and hunt. Not those commissioners that belong to huntin clubs and hunt stocked pens.

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the DCNR has made the exact statement to us at meeting.

YOU DONT NEED DEER TO ENJOY WOODS.:)

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1. If you think that's any whereCLOSE to the actual number of deer taken in WV you are very naive.
2. How many "tags" were needed to reach that 137,581 number? I'm sure the people of WV needed more than 137,582 tags, to fill 137,581 of them.

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"I think the game commission needs to put together a advisory board .And the members should be real hunters, that actually get out and hunt. Not those commissioners that belong to huntin clubs and hunt stocked pens."

As opposed to the "citizen advisory committees" ! What a joke.They highly limit hunter participation and give others the say in deer management. Ecowieneys etc. Heck one pgc insider was even on the 2A committee! Allso is under consideration for theboard of commissioners!

Voted against the people the person interviewed!!Even though pgcs goal has been stabilization, and ehd RIPPED the herd in many areas of the wmu, She voted for herd decrease.....Of course. Thankfully they had to at the very least compromise because noone other than her and a friend wanted that goal.

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I hunted WV in both bow and rifle season for many years and I agree 100%. I've never seen any studies on reporting rates in WV. Haven't hunted there lately but when I did, every deerwas suposed togo toa check station. yeah right! From what I saw with the locals down there, they might have had a reporting rate of 20-30% at the most. Of course, you could legally harvest up to 5 bucks a year there too!

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Im sure there is alot of poaching going on in WV and Pa. But the bottom line is when I go down to WV next Monday I will see deer all over the place.I live at the same place in pa that I did 55 years ago. My old farm back then always held 35 to 50 deer . Today 3. And it is the same farm,.no homes or loss of acreage. I can Judge what I see right know.Pa stinks WV super. Maybe I left the big secret out.The past 5 years its been alot of pa hunters showing up down in WV.I have 105 acres to hunt if I want to in WV.Probably wont yet this year. My deer count is a estimated 23 doe and 11 buck.. One more year.By then the doe pop. should be over 30. 33 acres of standing eatable crops year round. I will create my own paradise and Alt aint invited to hunt either.

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I know of a lot of people going out of state to hunt deer each year and not bothering to hunt here too much. In some areas, can't say I blame them. I really think the PGC needs to reavaluate their current system and make adjustments where they need to be adjusted most.

I think what the PGC did was force people to post their land if they haven't before.

I just wish they would get their head of their arse and go back to seperate seasons and do away with this early muzzleloader nonsense. Even if they would make it statewide that the first week is buck only and the second week is concurrent would help.

As I said before, I think our buck situation has improved tremendously with the antler restrictions. Antler restrictions can't hurt. But I think they've gone overboard with the doe harvest.

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Antler restrictions can in fact hurt more than most hunters realize. First they reduce the buck harvest due to more bucks being lost to non-hunting mortality. Second, ARs reduce the number of OW doe so fewer fawns are recruited which means lower harvests. Third , ARs can result in high grading and smaller rack sizes. fourth, in the long run it has the potential to adversely effect the gene pool.

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I agree I have no problems with antler restrictions. I practice that myself.Plus no fawns, yearlings or buttons. I would support a doe taken only with a bow rule. At least for a couple years till the herdstarts coming back.Some states have deer by bow only in some portions. We have to get out of the attitude that only what Pa does is right. There is some great rules going on in other parts of the country. Hey Pa people the earth is not flat ,we wont fall off if we cross the border for ideas.A program could be set upto let a farmer farm the open gamelands free.Build the food habitate.When the timber companies timber the gamelands set up a deal for them to open up 10 acres for every 100 for farming.
Where the deer pop is out of control because large land owners wont let people hunt.Alot of these people are not anti-hunters just want there privacy. Set up a program that would reinburse the land owner for allowing hunting The land owner could pick the amount of people they would allow. And a drawing could take place.All kinds of hunter friendly things could be done. I'm full of ideas.

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The SGLs are SGL's because they aren't suitable to be farmland. If the PGC required loggers to prepare a 10 acre field for every 100 acres timbered, no logger in his right mind would bid on the contract.

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This is why I nevertrusted harvest statistics. A guess at best.

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Non hunting mortality existed before AR's and will exist no matter what.

Now you're trying tohave it both ways.According to hundreds of your past posts, you claim over and over we are way under MSY carrying capacity so for you to now to claim that AR reduces the number of OW doe is simply being hypocritical on your part.

High grading? You mean the disproven theory of one rogue biologist in one dubious study in a state very different frrom Pa that no credible wildlife biologist has supported?

Adversely affect the gene pool? You yourself said that high grading had nothing to do with genetics.So what evidence do you have thatAR's can hurt the gene pool?

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The more bucks that are carried over the more that will die from non-hunting mortality , thus reducing the harvest.

That would only be true if the PGC agreed with me that the herd is below the MSY CC ,but they don't so you are wrong.
The theory of high grading has not been disproven as you claim and you can provide absolutely nothing to show it has been disproven. ARs in PA were established based on computer models from Miss. that were later proven to be flawed.