Pa. man attacked by Mountain lion Oct.10,08
 

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RE: Pa. man attacked by Mountain lion Oct.10,08
 

Why don't they get some dogs on the track and blood trail?? I wanna see a dead cougar body verified by Game Commission personnel who were there at the time of death. SOOOOO many sightings, stories, etc, etc. with no hard physical proof. Show me a verified body by reputable persons.

RE: Pa. man attacked by Mountain lion Oct.10,08
 

Same as sasquach, if it existed here one would have gotten hit on a road somewhere by now..... it would be interesting if they were confirmed here, i bet everyone would be a little more alert entering and exiting the stand in the dark

RE: Pa. man attacked by Mountain lion Oct.10,08
 

Hey this is a bunch of complete BS. Guys gets the facts straight. WV and PA DNR, stand behind the fact we dont have mountain lions( even though hunters take pics and they get seen every year. Come on stop making up ghost stories everyone, DNR wouldnt lie. LMFAO. i llove it

RE: Pa. man attacked by Mountain lion Oct.10,08
 

Here is my update

http://www.trackincats.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=4097#4097

RE: Pa. man attacked by Mountain lion Oct.10,08
 

Still waiting patiently for the VERIFIED remains to be recovered. Verified by PGC personnel, and an account of the proceedings verified by PGC also. 'Till then.............

RE: Pa. man attacked by Mountain lion Oct.10,08
 

There has never been a confirmed black mountain lion in captivity or in the wild.Now we have them attacking people.It must be true because the United spike shooters of Pa are on the scene.That's funny.

RE: Pa. man attacked by Mountain lion Oct.10,08
 

somebody tell me since when the Unified Sportsmen of PA got into the News business? Who do they think they are the Associated press?

DougE. Thats a good one. United Spike Shooters pf PA. LMFAO!!!! ROFLMAO!!!

RE: Pa. man attacked by Mountain lion Oct.10,08
 

Shot it and then stabbed it twice in the neck and heard it gurgle.
And yet it got away with a blood trail theat could not be followed?:D
Hand to hand with an alleged mountain lion capable of taking down a horse and he came out on top?:D:D
Roxy - you interviewd "100's of witnesses" and yet have never posted a verified photo here.
Why?

Funny how more cougars and sighted in Pa then in the states where they really live!

Steve

RE: Pa. man attacked by Mountain lion Oct.10,08
 

Sounds like a job forMarlin Perkins.A herd of mountain lions,inclluding one black one.Wow,that's proof if I ever saw it.

RE: Pa. man attacked by Mountain lion Oct.10,08
 

And they say the Amish don't drink.

Steve

RE: Pa. man attacked by Mountain lion Oct.10,08
 

The amish around here drink very heavily.

RE: Pa. man attacked by Mountain lion Oct.10,08
 

I suppose the remains have to be Notarized as well for it to count? ;)

RE: Pa. man attacked by Mountain lion Oct.10,08
 

Very little in this story has any ring of truth to this lion hunter. However some of you doubters seem to know very little about lions either. We have our share here in southern Idaho but few locals have ever seen one in the wild. Without the aid of dogs, I have seen a total of three, (3) in the wild.Two were seen from my hunting truck, in prime lion country. The other, a Florida panther was seen 100 yards from Dad's house 100 miles north of Tampa when I was 10 years old.By the way I am 65 years old now.
I know of only one young tom that has been ran over on the highway. That accured on Vader Grade between Wendell and Hagerman, Idaho about 8-9 years ago.
The only dead bodies of lions that I know of being found by any of my hunting aquantances, was two kittens that had been killed by an old tom. Without the use of dogs, they wouldn't have found them.
Genetic studies have shown a gene for dark, color phase lionsin rare and isolated cats. The chance of a breeding population of dark phase lions just isn't out there, though a single case may show up every 5K births.
About 6-7 years ago a fellow walking in British Columbia was attacked by a lion and killed the animal with his pocket knife.
Young males looking for a home range of their own, will travel long distances. One taged and collared in a local lion study near Jerome, Id. was killed near Elko, Nevada. Another one collared in S.E. Id. was killed in central Montana.
Just because you haven't seen one, doesn't mean that there isn't a few, or even a breeding population around.

RE: Pa. man attacked by Mountain lion Oct.10,08
 

Point is,you live where there's a large concentration and rarely see one.We live where there's no known population and have several thousand sighting a year,many of them black.

RE: Pa. man attacked by Mountain lion Oct.10,08
 

I don't need to know a thing about ML's to know the difference between a credible report and one that is just BS. This report (and I shouldn't even dignify it bycalling it a report) is definately the latter.

RE: Pa. man attacked by Mountain lion Oct.10,08
 

does anyone feel that i dont know what i saw,COUGAR here in clinton/clfd county,pa.

you have confirmed sighting of COUGAR,me, sproul and the PGC HAS CONFIRMED my sighting over phone and said,SPROUL YOU IDENTIFIED A SMALL COUGAR BUT I DONT BELIEVE THEY EXIST.i will not take tracks because ground is too hard.

this was wco from clearfield,pa. who i called at home 1 hr after i saw cougar, i wanted to take tracks, he did not.


there you have it, trust me,if i said i saw COUGAR at 15 ft not ever seeing cougar before, telling a wco that animal had a tawny or orangish coat and screached at me, i bet most would think i was a nut case.

but i stated to WCO exactly what it looked like, how it acted to me,how it ran away.

WCO did not laugh,only stated they dont exist.


trust ole sproul, that was cougar and they do exist here in pa.:eek:

RE: Pa. man attacked by Mountain lion Oct.10,08
 

I think you truly believe you saw a cougar.

I also believe you where mistaken.

Steve

RE: Pa. man attacked by Mountain lion Oct.10,08
 

i knew you were a WCO for the pgc:D

want to bet they find a dead DOG in place of cougar.:D

RE: Pa. man attacked by Mountain lion Oct.10,08
 

I live in NY - working for the PGC would be tough.

2 people can't keep a secret these days - does anyone really think a goverment agency with 100's of employee's and with the state and local police depts could do a statewide coverup?:eek:

Steve

RE: Pa. man attacked by Mountain lion Oct.10,08
 

Let see must be 6 years ago late dec: while flintlock hunting in PA.TUCKANOCK AREA (I must of spelled it wrong)area I spoted a large cat well over 125 lbs COUGAR following the sametraila deer was moving threw the woods.The shot a little to far for a flinter 50 cal. 125 yards

RE: Pa. man attacked by Mountain lion Oct.10,08
 

we are YEARS into this debate and NO ONE EVER has provided a SHRED, not an IOTA, of PROOF.

Think of the good you could do if you used all your free time on something for the betterment of humanity.:(

RE: Pa. man attacked by Mountain lion Oct.10,08
 

...........Why so skeptical, Doug? A couple of weeks ago I was out at the PGC range doing some load workup for one of my rifles, and a fellow stopped by to shoot the breeze a little. The conversation from his end soon turned to the local (Indiana Co.) cougar population. He asked if I had ever seen them. Naturally, I answered "No." He proceeded to tell me that there was a very local population, and it consisted of three tan cougars, and one black one. He had seen them personally. I thought "Oh, man....All I wanted was some peaceful range time, and now this crock......"
Just unbeleiveable how all those black cats are showing up now, when only a short time ago all the "sightings" were of tan creatures.
...The longer it goes, the wilder it gets.....
Oh, back to my original question..........

RE: Pa. man attacked by Mountain lion Oct.10,08
 

Roxy - what happened?

Its been 3 days - 2 "cougar" blood trails from the fighting farmer, expert bloodhounds and trailer, all kinds of volunteer "experts" desperate
to prove their theoriesn and even the help of the USP themselves.

Where's the body's, hair, anything??
Can't be a coverup - you declared it would not happen this time.

Steve

RE: Pa. man attacked by Mountain lion Oct.10,08
 

I hear crickets........

RE: Pa. man attacked by Mountain lion Oct.10,08
 

the part i got a little funny feeling is,THE COUGAR JUMPED FROM TREE ON HIS BACK.


that sounds like something in daniel boone movies, but ,could it happen?


when you are going into woods looking for wounded cougar, i would be looking in trees as i walked.


my only thing is, WHAT TORE THE AMISH GUY ALL UP.

no animal i know would do that.

i understand that hospital said it was animal cuts or scratchs he had .


i know this, he made mistake going after any animal like that wounded,only way i would is if i had SHOTGUN with buck shot because ole sproul aim is not as good ,but i am still handy with knife:D

RE: Pa. man attacked by Mountain lion Oct.10,08
 

This just in from the game commission.

- To all PA hunters. Yes, we have been covering up the cougar investigations for years. In fact, the entire reason that we have increased doe permits is to rapidly control the spread the cougars. See.... Cougars love to feed on deer, if there are no deer around, there will be no cougars around. Get it. The plan seems to be working nicely.

- Since we are spilling the beans, we also released wolfs and large coyotes to control the deer population. This is also working.

- Also, we wanted to inform you that

Personally, I can believe in some of the sightings because the native range of the Cougar, Mountain Lion, and Panther is extreme. They are very elusive in the day time mainly feeding at night. They can adapt to almost any condition and don't really like people. So...they can keep moving to very isolated places unlike our deer friends who actually like us feeding them in the backyard.

Are there cougars in PA. I have no clue. Could there and is it likely, sure. I don't need proof....just a credible person.

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SPROUL,does feel that coyotes were released here in pa back in 90s, i have no proof but i feel that no way in just a few years that coyotes just happened to be here.

some say they migrated down from ny, maybe they did but i dont believe they made trip in a few years in great numbers.

RE: Pa. man attacked by Mountain lion Oct.10,08
 

..........by the insurance companies..........????

RE: Pa. man attacked by Mountain lion Oct.10,08
 

My two cents...if you see one shoot it DEAD. They are the single most capable predator in North America, and IF they are here, they pose a serious threat to livestock, humans, ...and deer. With coyote predation being so high and herds reduced so low, we certainly don't need another large deer predator out there, esp one prone to attack humans given the oportunity. Protected by law or not, I'm shooting and finding a good story to justify it. As for the black ones...well, maybe the PGC got them for a discount price.:)Close friends and family members claim to have seen them, and these are people I trust implicitly. When, or ifI see one,I just hopeI am armed and can shoot straight.

P.S. If they ARE here, then look for them to be showing up more frequently in the suburbs and rural farm communities. Studies have shown that cougars kill approx 26 deer per year/ per adult cougar. With the effects of HR so pronounced in the remote northern counties, where historically most cougar sightings took place and the last known native cougars were killed, they would no doubt, by now, be moving to areas with higher deer densities. It seems to me that this trend issupporting that pattern.

RE: Pa. man attacked by Mountain lion Oct.10,08
 

It seems to me that the trend is that there's no credible evidence of a wild population in Pa.This story is so outrageous,I couldn't imagine anyone with three working braincells believeing it.Glad the USP has it covered though.

RE: Pa. man attacked by Mountain lion Oct.10,08
 

HERE kITTY kITTY

RE: Pa. man attacked by Mountain lion Oct.10,08
 

SS - I'm not not sure we are going to see any trends of cougars visiting our suburbs anytime soon. I could be wrong but, they really don't have an interest in being around people, cars & trucks, etc.

Your painting a very mean picture of this creature... the same kind that makes people scared of sharks and that we should kill them all as well. Perhaps I'm reading into you r message too much.

I agree with you on the deer front. I have a hard enough time finding deer in northern PA let alone another predator talking them. Would not want this happening.

Good luck to the hunter finding one of these guys.

RE: Pa. man attacked by Mountain lion Oct.10,08
 

I have a friend that lives in Philipsburg and works in State College. Got a picture of a big cat on his cell while traveling through Black Moshannon on his way to work last spring. Can I say for sure that it is a mountain lion, no but it is one big cat that I would say goes about 70-80 lbs. Oh and it wasn't black. I have personally seen a coyote twice in the last three years in the area around Black Bear.

RE: Pa. man attacked by Mountain lion Oct.10,08
 

Little slow on the update/excuses/claim of coverup aren't they.:)

Steve

RE: Pa. man attacked by Mountain lion Oct.10,08
 

All good things come to those that wait.;)

RE: Pa. man attacked by Mountain lion Oct.10,08
 

i called a person in sportsmans club from the area and told me he heard there was BLOOD all over place.


he also said the amish guy was all cut up from some kind of animal attack.

he also said that dogs could not find any sign or scent of cougar.

he said the blood from what he heard is at the state police lab now.

BLOOD should tell what it is.

i hope that the USP took sample of blood also and had it tested at a private lab.

anymore, i dont trust any gov. group .

the part about cougar jumping on his back,just does not sit well with me.

if it was me, i would still be holding my gun or would have reached for gun to hit that cat or shoot.

reaching in sprouls pocket for knife would be last thing i would do.

that part seems strange to me but i guess each of us act differently.

ah heck, i would most likely have choked that cougar,i think i have a little TARZAN in me:D

RE: Pa. man attacked by Mountain lion Oct.10,08
 

Blood analysis should prove what it was...either all the blood is from the gentleman, or some of it was from some kind of wild animal.

RE: Pa. man attacked by Mountain lion Oct.10,08
 

douge, we have disagreed for years on each others views on deer situation.
i respect yours even tho its not what we see daily in woods in wmu2g.

i told you i saw cougar in your neck of woods,you can trust my word on that i did see cougar at 15 ft away.

i just heard a guy saw a cougar in black moshannon forest area,he also said cat was tawny and around 80/100 pds.

about size i saw at pottersdale near cemetary on keating rd.

also archery hunter said last week he saw cougar in same area of pottersdale/keating,pa.he stopped to fill his car and told the garage.

he stated camps have been seeing a cougar for years in kelley estate area clinton/clfd county.

lets see how BLOOD results turn out.

that guy just did not get attacked by any animal i know of that could cut his face/hands/arms so bad he went to hospital for stiches.amish just dont go to hospital unless they are hurt to bad to doctor at home.

then blood all over place.

i personely not knowing anything about cougar would feel they would just get out of area, not climb a tree and jump on someone.

but a hurt cougar or mother with cubs, i guess they could do this?

movies always show cougar sneaking up and jumping on back of a hunter.

1 i saw had no intentions of jumping on my back but he did screach at me just like the penn state lion does at games and he was out of there so fast, i believe the only way i could have shot him was with BUCKSHOT.

if you take just a moment and think, maybe sproul did see cougar, he is in woods all time,should know what he saw EVEN tho i was shocked at what i saw, it floored me to see a animal that i never saw in 50 years in woods.

to this day the COLOR still sticks in my mind,littlehead with go-tee,long tail and way he ran is something, when you see it will stick in your mind forever.:eek:

RE: Pa. man attacked by Mountain lion Oct.10,08
 

Wow! This has to be the craziest tall tale I've ever heard. Since when did Mt. Loins roam in groups of three? From what I gather they are pretty solitary animals. Sorry guys, I'm not buying this.

With that being said, we used to say the same thing about people who sighted these animals in IL. Guess what? They are now here. IL. has produced 3 dead cats in 8 yrs. All of them were verified as being wild animals and not captive cougars. I'm 100% positive I will see a breeding population of cougars in IL in my lifetime.