Sure thing.:happy0001:

I belive I can remember two extensions sometime between 1989 and 1994.

Yeee-ouch! I could understand the need to expand rifle season if weather were a concern etc. with a two or three day season, but currently its ALREADY 2 WEEKS that we can take antlerless deer!! Not to mention all the "other" early seasons. Why on earth would they address this NOW?

Doing this with our current crew in place at pgc and the extreme agenda would be about as wise as giving a pyromaniac the keys to a fuel tanker and a blow torch and not expecting bad results! Who was it that made the statement Spurs??

In the best interest of privacy, I'll not name the individual. But rest easy.....it was a conversation regarding bear season and not deer season. I was just merely pointing out that the Executive Director doesn't have the power to extend a season without jumping through hoops first.

I remember that doe season extension flap coming up during Vern Ross' tenure, when the legal beagles decided the Exec. Dir. didn't actually have the authority to extend a season. Thought that had been taken care of a coupla years ago?

Last doe season extension I recall prior to that flap, was in '92.

Just like the guy that gets to hold the keys to the atom smasher the bird is the only, self appointed architect of a plan capable of determining if the go head for code name "doesbedead" should be implemented. No one knows if anyone knows who might think they know better than the all knowing bird .:s5: :confused: :s5:

Who knows?:sad: :confused0024:

There are a lot a ways to improve deer hunting in PA , but they all involve reducing the doe harvest or eliminating ARs. But, until the PGC changes their priorities all our ideas won't change a thing. The real question is how can we get the PGC to change their priorities and I am still waiting for someone to come up with a solution that may work.

How will eliminating AR,s increase deer numbers?

Alt said we had to kill a doe to make room for every buck saved by ARs. In 2002 ARs saved 38,000 additional buck and we killed 38,000 additional doe. While bucks may sire fawns, they don't recruit any fawns, so the PS herd in 2003 was reduced by over 38K just due to ARs.

By "recruit" do you heading off to N.Y. and bring some back or do you mean to tell me that health does can't have two or even three fawns per year?

What exactly is your definition of a PS herd? :s13:

News flash. Dead doe don't produce any fawns.

The PS DD is the number of deer that survive until the beginning of hunting season.

I gotta find out now it's driving me nuts.I know for sure it was extended in Clearfield when a snowstorm fell giving three feet of snow and more in some areas right before doe season.The place was a disaster with helicopters picking up residents in the boondocks because the electricity was off.I'll see if I can find info on that storm.That would be the year.
For Clearfield/Potter I remember it being discussed a few times but honestly can't say for sure.
I'm gonna find out I hope.
In the 70's I was hunting in Potter.
Damn,I am an old coot.:biggrin:

Take heart BB. I just noticed the home page photograph on the PGC's new site.........
Kind of ironic dont you think?

No, not at all . I love BB and saw a flock of 40-50 while deer hunting.

Bluebird made the big time.:biggrin:
Ok fellers,I searched and couldn't find squat so I posted on HPA.Maybe somebody will have a link.

Both the PGC and i support the BB. Just as w both support the propagation of all species of wildlife. Where we have a difference of opinion is regarding the relative balance of competing species.

Well BB and BT I couldn't find squat on the extensions.I asked over on HPA and most seem to think it happened two years.One guy was sure 87.

It could well be that we'll recall different years for different folks because the extensions were by county. Then there's the oldtimers thing with our memories (sorry Rich) It probably happened more in the NW but it could just as easily been the south if it rained heavy in the south discouraging hunters while the north was blessed with snow. nayway, it answered our question as to whether or not it used to happen. It obviously did as almost everyone remembers it happening at one time or another.

Go with 1992...:patriot:

I would say that it is ironic...ironic that the PGC which used to be better symbolized by a deer or other game, is now plastering pictures of songbirds as the banner on their homepage. It's all there in the big , bold print.

What a powerful man Dr Gary Alt was, all he had to do was speak and the world before us changed, can any of you imagine if he would have ended his deer killing wish list with a few words of wisdom and passion, Like peace on earth and good will toward man.
What a wonderful world it would be.:patriot:

So, does the doe population increase or decrease, when you reduce the buck to doe ratio in a stable herd and how does that affect recruitment?

C'mon Steel, lighten up just a little. It's a changing banner including many different types of wildlife including deer!

Heres a few more

Instead of that button buck pictured, they shouldve just taken a picture of a gutpile. lol.

Depends on how far you are from the New York boarder.:confused:

Lets not forget the distance from posted ground, the OWDD, the PS DPSM, the BB ratio, the AL allocation, the moon phase, the trillium count, and the relative striped maple and hobblebush density:confused:

If that is your best answer ,then I will have to agree that you are very confused.