RE: PA antler restriction
 

When the PGC releases the results of their annual buck survey and it shows that the rack sizes and body weight of the 2.5+,8 pt buck increased significantly , that would be credible evidence I would accept. But, after 6 years of ARs ,the PGC is still reluctant to release that data. I wonder why!!!

RE: PA antler restriction
 

Do they even have such a list avalible, and if so here is it located? Just curious

RE: PA antler restriction
 

Bluebird is that why you have an axe to grind? Because you are disabled and old? Let me tell you something. I have diabetes, heart disease and glaucoma (from being poisoned by an experimental prescripted medicine) I have lost clarity and 90% of my peripheral vision and I still can see the forest through the trees. Antler restrictions are a good start towards better deer management!

pahunter - be patient -- I hear that hunting in Pennsylvania has changed dramatically in most areas for the better. Those that lose interest in hunting because they did not get their way over something like AR's did not have their heart in the sport and subsequently could not care about the best interests of the deer herd. Perhaps your dad is just in a middle aged slump. Hopefully, with your help and continued interest, you can rekindle his flame.

RE: PA antler restriction
 

The PGC has refused to release the data from the annual antlered buck surveys. When I ask Dr. Rosenberry if ARs increased the rack sizes of the average 2.5+ buck , he said he didn't know if ARs increased or decreased rack sizes.

RE: PA antler restriction
 

Here is another quote on ARs from Miss.
We had good habitat and a good B/D ratio before ARs and our herd was below the MSY carrying capacity,so there is no reason to expect ARs would increase the average rack size of 2.5+ buck in PA.
Even Alt admitted ARs were not the best way to improve the age structure of the buck herd , but he believed it was the only method he could sell to the hunters to get them to shoot more doe.

Sorry to hear about you illnesses. I guess I am in pretty good shape compared to many of my fellow hunters of my age so I try not to complain or let it interfere with my hunting.

RE: PA antler restriction
 

Why do you constantly try to imply that someone in the PGC claimed the average rack size of 2.5 year old bucks would increase?Please post a link to that claim.

RE: PA antler restriction
 

I posted it many times in the past and you and other responded by claiming the written word didn't say what was clearly state. That is," in the long term hunters would likely see more and larger buck than ever before." The only way that could be true is if ARs resulted in larger 2.5+ buck than before ARs.

RE: PA antler restriction
 

well, sproul needs to respond.

hunting has not gone way it should in WMU2G .

pgc/dcnr went to far on the overharvest of doe/fawns.

i blame hunters also for putting MEAT before sportsmanship.

here is what i see.being we are talking AR .

the bucks i am seeing killed are not to old, like 2.5 years old but have bigger racks than years ago.

this is not from food in my opinion ,its because of AR restriction.

we would kill off our bucks before they would get to 2.5 years old.
some of big racks i got years ago and now, most are 3.5 year old deer.

problem is the AR will not work AS IT SHOULD unless we stop this exemption for kids under 16.

all this does is lets crews shoot at any deer,or as said,brown its down with kid tag.
its being done and done all over the state.

this is why i suggested at pgc meeting that ONLY KID 12/16 should be able to kill a doe,no buck UNLESS the horns are 3 points to side.

this would keep kid interested until he is 17, then he can hunt buck only along with rest of us.

if dads,uncles, friends would ABIDE by rules and let kids shoot the bucks under 3 points, i would still be in favor of letting them hunt those bucks even tho it hurts a buck getting to 2.5 years old or longer.

no AR is going to work if BROWN ITS DOWN group has it real nice now..

here is example, i interviewd crew that killed more bucks than doe, think about it,all were under the 3 point rule bucks.

load truck with kids and carry kids tags, oh boy, we got best of both worlkds but the AR is not working with this happening.

RE: PA antler restriction
 

The majority of bucks harvested in 2007 were still 1.5 buck and very few of the 2.5+ buck were 3.5 years old since only 20% of the 2.5+ buck survive to become 3.5 + buck.

RE: PA antler restriction
 

I never denied that Alt was stupid for saying that we'd have more and bigger bucks than ever before.That's simply impossible to achieve when you plan on reducing the herd by about 50%.Regardless,it's just as ridiculous that you would take that statement and twist it to mean that the average size of 2.5 year old bucks would increase.You know darn well what he meant.