PGC to eliminate muzzleloading license deadline?
#11
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Warren PA USA
Posts: 1,512
RE: PGC to eliminate muzzleloading license deadline?
Lochorns,
The antlerless tag is a county specific tag that can be used in archery, firearms, or muzzly seasons.
If you want an antlerless tag after archery closes, you can go to the county courthouse and get one...provided they aren't sold out. Which, is your own fault if they are out and you wanted one.
I don't think the money is the issue. I think it's got more to do with having to get something you can't use long before you have any idea that you can't use it.
The antlerless tag is a county specific tag that can be used in archery, firearms, or muzzly seasons.
If you want an antlerless tag after archery closes, you can go to the county courthouse and get one...provided they aren't sold out. Which, is your own fault if they are out and you wanted one.
I don't think the money is the issue. I think it's got more to do with having to get something you can't use long before you have any idea that you can't use it.
#13
RE: PGC to eliminate muzzleloading license deadline?
I'd be all for giving the ML guys a seperate, additional statewide any deer tag. This is one goup that has been messed with by the PGC way too long because they were few (relatively) in number and not well organized. Time to reward their patience and it will help meet deer management goals!
#14
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Allentown Pa USA
Posts: 76
RE: PGC to eliminate muzzleloading license deadline?
Jason you may becorrect about the county specific tag. I do not dispute that. What I do dispute is that for all practical purposes the MZ hunter without a stamp is now buying one to hunt doe or should I politically correct and say deer. To say that recent MZ stamp buyer is not just covering his bases so he can harvest an additional doe is pure folly at best. Now if a gun hunter shoots a buck then decideds he wants a doe he too should be able to just go to the sport shop and buy one.. If it is not a money issue with the MZ tag then what's the problem with buying one an opting not to use it? How many guys buy bear tags each year or for that matter archery tags and do not get to use them. i have no problem with allowing the MZ to buy a tag whenever but my problem comes from allowing them to do it with the intention of just getting another doe tag in areas where deer numbers are down and no control over how many additional does will be killed like this. Keep in mind the PGC is about to lift restrictions on inlines in MZ too.
#15
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Allentown Pa USA
Posts: 76
RE: PGC to eliminate muzzleloading license deadline?
Jason you may becorrect about the county specific tag. I do not dispute that. What I do dispute is that for all practical purposes the MZ hunter without a stamp is now buying one to hunt doe or should I politically correct and say deer. To say that recent MZ stamp buyer is not just covering his bases so he can harvest an additional doe is pure folly at best. Now if a gun hunter shoots a buck then decideds he wants a doe he too should be able to just go to the sport shop and buy one.. If it is not a money issue with the MZ tag then what's the problem with buying one an opting not to use it? How many guys buy bear tags each year or for that matter archery tags and do not get to use them. i have no problem with allowing the MZ to buy a tag whenever but my problem comes from allowing them to do it with the intention of just getting another doe tag in areas where deer numbers are down and no control over how many additional does will be killed like this. Keep in mind the PGC is about to lift restrictions on inlines in MZ too.
#16
RE: PGC to eliminate muzzleloading license deadline?
I do see your point. It could be detremental to areas that have few does, but it will do wonders for areas that have too many does. I don't like the idea of a inline in muzzleloader season. That is JUST RIDICULOUS. I know that I will probablly hear it from inline users but it is MUCH more like a rifle than a muzzleloader. They are accurate out to 200 yards, they misfire a lot less, they have scopes..... They should not belong in the muzzleloader season.
Good Luck This Season: Buck Magnet
P.S. Only Chuck Adams can sit at home and see deer so get into the woods. =;^)
Good Luck This Season: Buck Magnet
P.S. Only Chuck Adams can sit at home and see deer so get into the woods. =;^)
#17
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Huntingdon, PA
Posts: 246
RE: PGC to eliminate muzzleloading license deadline?
This season i got screwed over by that regulation.
I started to get into muzzleloading after I had already bought my regular license and all that, and i was shocked to find out that i couldn't buy a muzzleloader tag for the late season. It irks me that you can buy an archery tag up to the last day, and not buy as muzzleloader, something is screwy there
Jennings Buckmaster Bow
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I started to get into muzzleloading after I had already bought my regular license and all that, and i was shocked to find out that i couldn't buy a muzzleloader tag for the late season. It irks me that you can buy an archery tag up to the last day, and not buy as muzzleloader, something is screwy there
Jennings Buckmaster Bow
.50 Cal Thompson Center Renegade
#18
RE: PGC to eliminate muzzleloading license deadline?
It would really surprise me if inlines were ever allowed here. Dont think you got anything to worry about BM. I've heard rumors we might be going back to patched round balls too!
The thinking that the ML is a last ditch doe tag is what got us all the stupid regs in the first place. The PGC in its infinite wisdom knee jerked back then saying that the ML kill was messing with their doe license allocation formulas. They were up in arms about the runaway doe kill with the ML's. They then claimed that any county that had a 15% or more doe kill with the ML's was risking an overkill. That happened in ONE county (Butler) SO they made the ML guys give up their doe applications. Guess what also happened that year? Thousands of doe licenses went unsold. (for the first time in many counties) Its just time they let those guys do their thing. If the ML's start to kill too many does somewhere it's easily fixable.
The thinking that the ML is a last ditch doe tag is what got us all the stupid regs in the first place. The PGC in its infinite wisdom knee jerked back then saying that the ML kill was messing with their doe license allocation formulas. They were up in arms about the runaway doe kill with the ML's. They then claimed that any county that had a 15% or more doe kill with the ML's was risking an overkill. That happened in ONE county (Butler) SO they made the ML guys give up their doe applications. Guess what also happened that year? Thousands of doe licenses went unsold. (for the first time in many counties) Its just time they let those guys do their thing. If the ML's start to kill too many does somewhere it's easily fixable.
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