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No I do not think so, they could have those pics sent from my phone to an e-mail to be checked into tho.. As stated above there is a real concern over the way we live up here if they could find a way to prove that they in fact exist here.. Our way of life up here depends on the paper and lumber industries and their right to harvest the woods. That would be greatly changed if in fact it could be proved that the Eastern Mountain Lion does exist here. That would not be a welcome thing up here. We already expierence issues over tha Canadian Lyxn up here and there is no doubt more to come on the lyxn alone. We do not need more issues over other near extint wildlife here. It would surely affect the way we hunt and for those that trap as well. Trappers up here are already under the scope because of a chance of catching a lyxn or eagle in a trap as it is.

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You could not legally shoot a cougar in PA even if you saw one and wanted to. The reason is because they are not included on the non-protected list of animals in PA. But here is the dilema. If the PGC says they do not exist, as they have been documented as stating and you did shoot one - how could you be fined for shooting an animal that doesn't exist?????????????????????

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if PHIL said he saw cougar and kitten,HE DID.if PHIL said he took pictures,HE DID.

this person is HONORABLE man, i would trust his word.

but BELIEVE what you want.

now on too more FACTS.

ole sproul could be WRONG on thinking that cougars are MIGRATING to pa..

i am nowgetting a little more educated on cougar.
i feel now that maybe most of cougars were always here,just my feeling.some migrate.

wild breeding cougar.

now, on with some FACTS..

did we all know that there has been multiple sighting AND CONFIRMED tracks thru snow/dirt between TAMARACK/CROSSFORK AREA in the DUTLINGER WIDLIFE NATURAL AREA.

THIS WAS IN march of 2005.
tracks were CONFIRMED as cougar by WILDLIFE BIOLOGIST DR.JACK BARR..
this person is renowned in his research and ability on cougars.

also wildlife biologist/antropologist R.PENNINGTON also has CONFIRMED TRACKS in same area.

THIS AREA IS ON KETTLE CREEK AREA.
it covers about 15 miles from tamarack/crossforks.

this area and the rt 144 area is one of the most ISOLATED areas in western clinton county.

hammersly fork area is real wild and i believe is now classed as a WILD AREA.

thats some more info, more CONFIRMED cougar tracks .

carry your cameras folks, its going to be fun.

also, dont shoot a cougar,i hear many that say they will blast one ,use camera, get pictures of tracks or cougar.

boy, it was cold out coyote hunting today,did not see or hear any and only 1 deer in the sugar camp run area of clinton county.

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bronko,from what i hear they got rules changed.

now, if you shoot a TAME cougar,its the same as shooting a wild one.
or a RELEASED COUGAR.

that may be why they are using the RELEASED COUGAR thing now more than the old lie they used,THEY DONT EXIST.

they dont want one shot to be CONFIRMED and i dont want any shot,WILD OR TAME ..

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No one is claiming Phil is a liar. Maybe he saw one. But I still beleibe 99.9% of these sightings are BS. Hell, even if PGC admitted they had breedingcougars, I wouldn't beleive most of these claims.

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if phil said he saw one,he did, no maybe about it.
i never said you thought he was liar,i felt you felt he was MISTAKEN on what he saw and took pictures of.


trust me, most of sighting here in my area are from people that know difference from a cougar and bobcat.

so, i would say here is SPROULS percentage.
80% confirmed a cougar
20% saw a bobcat.

;)

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Cougars have been seen and stalked by police officers, photo'd and pursued in the area where I live nd it is not as wild and remote as where my cabin is located near Sproul S.F. I dont see why they would not be in that area..

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tracks are being confirmed,now comments are coming from the non-believers that the tracks are RELEASED PETS or EXOTIC PETS.

that is the new buzzword,you have to laugh.:D

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Back your "facts" with links to the suddenly found "confirmed" tracks.
Save everyone a lot of time - when you claim to have proof, back it up - doing so could someday lead to having a bit of credibility. Until then, these threads are like reading the Enquirer in the checkout line.

Steve

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steve, yes.
look at site i posted.

there is a john there you can e-mail with your question or better yet,give him call.

also they have free info which could answer your questions and mailed to your home.

they do ask for a little donation to cover the postage etc,if you feel you would like too.

a friend of mine that lived at the site,HAMMERSLY FORK,PA. he just passed away.i miss him a lot.

2 years ago he said he heard the most awful sounds from hillsideon summer nightand he feels it was cougar .

he lived there all he life, hunts and sees bobcats all time.

he said that sound was not normal.
he also said something chased a doe that night and doe died in stream.

the pgc came and got doe.

he feels a COUGAR was chasing the doe.

i never said a COUGAR had 2 heads or came from mars..:D

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The leader of that site used to post here - until they could not stand being challanged on the FACT nothing one their site qualified as proof! I spent 2 hours on that site of speculation less then a year ago. In 2 hours of reading, I saw not 1 bit of proof. Just more of the same kind of reports and rumors posted on every thread about cougars/panthers/big foot. "So and so saw blank, and I know its true cause they are a praying peacher hunter. "
If I sent them a donation, it would be so they could afford to get back on the meds they are clearly not taking as directed.

Steve

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I am an avid hunter and livejust southof the Albany area. I, myself have never observed a "big" cat but I do putalot of faith into theidea that they have been in this area. My father and I run coonhounds and venture into some remote areas and many farmers recently have without a doubt said they have seen these cats once or twice. One reputable-well respected farmer in schoharie county saw a cougar back in 1986 on his farm. I work in albany county and almost a dozen idividuals..mostly teachers that I work withhave seen cougars. this area of the Alcove watershed and big quarry areas of Albany countyhave been said to be holding these cats. One teacher had a mountain lion on her picnic table two years ago during the summer. Another teacher had her horse attacked and DEC played stupid. she is very adimit about that. Some local police officers have seen these cats in the Burne/westerlo/Albany county areas. Sitings have definitelyincreased in the last 10 years in Albany county. What i found ironic was many of the cats that have been spotted carried collars around there necks.

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Did you ever hear a Great Horned owl scream at night?? Will send the shivers right up your back when you are out in the woods at night, particularly if you are alone. May also promote a change of underwear............

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Mountain lions on picinic tables and teachers are like ministers - never wrong and and should all be trusted without question. Typical "proof" that is NOTHING but 2nd,3rd,4th....... hand hearsay with not a single bit of anything real to back it up.
Steve

PS - the collars thing is classic - you forgot the tags in the ears from insurance companies and the broken down trucks loaded with breeding pairs for release by the DEC.

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i had 8 owls in my area 3 weeks ago MATING for 2 days..
it drove me and dog NUTS.

my dog barked until 2 am.

owls in my yard killed 7 of my rabbits.
they killed all of our pheasants i had for youth kids to hunt,everyone of them.

i hate OWLS,HAWKS,FOX,COYOTES...

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tmeservey,dont let steve in ny get to you,he feels as his does and no one will change his comments..

if i was in woods A LOT like me, and did not see one myself, i only saw 1 in 50 years in woods,i would kind of feel that cougaris not here..

but when SPROUL tells you he saw one 15 ft ,yes 15 ft from me with witness,you can take that to bank.

i was out today trying to get those 2 coyotes i missed,i thought my hunting was over, i thought i had a heart attack.

i guess i need to only go out 2 times a week in this cold air,not 5.

i am getting camera that you can put pictures on here, i hope to have some pictures of things in future..

maybe someone on here can steer me when that comes on how you download it to huntingpa site etc.

i am not very good at typing.

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i lived and hunted in KINGSTON, NY in 1980,not far from alabany,ny.

ole sproul has got around,i move as much as a cougar.:D

not 1 sighting here that i talked to inmy county had collar on cougar.
not saying 1 could have one on but no one here saw collar..

i saw bear this year,500 pds with 2 tags in its ear, 1 red,1 yellow with number on.

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Welcome to Sprouls fairy tale forest.....

This forest is really special. It's full of cougars, bears that eat pine trees, and, of course, insurancecompany stocked coyotes. Theres also plenty of big "crews" of hunters who leave the deer rich areas of the state anddrive hundreds of miles to stomp out the woods and shoot the very last deer that remain in 2G. No deer left though.

Be careful not to let your rabbits out in the yard, those horny owls will get em for sure.

Don't bring your kids though, they're not welcome in Sprouls fairy tale forest because dad will use the kids tag to take one of those little bucks that are almost all gone anyway.

Be sure to sign up for the big cougar spotting contest. Be the 1401st person to see a cougar in PA and win big! Proof is not required! we'll take your word for it! After all, in Sprouls fairy tale forest, anything is possible...even the tallest of tales!

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cougar sighted in new york!!

I have proof.

It's on video

ask jay leno he saw it too!

sightings should be up tomorow.

Can't the moderators get rid of this stupid forum already

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Just remember their were no grizleys in idaho until a hunter shot one.

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That would be proof that grizzlies are there.
It does that mean cougars are playing on picinic tables in NY?:D

Steve

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Same old same old... no evidence, no proof just morebs. I put such claims in the same category with, to name just a few,big foot, space aliens,the Evis is alive phenomenonand the nonsense that we never landed on the moon. Should reliable sources begin substantiating the presence of ml's in places like PA, NY etc. then the ml enthusiasts would have some credibility. Clearly, that's not the case. Until then, imo, it's just cases of mistaken identity, conspiracy theoriesand the imaginations of those who for whatever reason want to believe and are obsessed with convincing others to believe that ml's are around.

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I AGREE!
Now can youplease stop these useless threads. Without any evidence, none of us want to hear it AND you lose all of your creditability with other HNI members! Yes...this is directed to youSproulman!

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i had to clear out my PM .
i am getting about 90% positive for me to report what is in my countys i get info from.

many have camps here and have PM me ,some said they also have info but are afraid to put in on here as some of you will make fun of them, thats sad, isnt it.

you would not believe the people that have saw and heardcougar in the HAMMERSLY FORK AREA of clinton county.i was not aware of that info until today.

so, lots are reading my post and they like it,some of you dont, thats ok too.

my PM is cleared out now,so if anyone has sighting of cougar in CLINTON COUNTY ,feel free to PM me.

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BS - its not fear of ridicule - IF they are really even responding!
It just means they have no PROOF. Coffe shop/bar room rumors of sitings are not proof.
They are urban legends that grow uncontrolled when fed byrumor - the very reason for Snopes.
Post proof and get some credibility - until then you get sad shakes of the head from your attempts to perpetuate myth and legend.

Steve

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So now it's PM's from unnamed posters afraid to post their sighting here for fear of ridicule. Just like your cougar sightings, once again you don't produce any proof whatsoever.

You have made so many outlandish claims about so many things that you've gotten to the point where very few, if any, believe anything you post. It's not just the cougar stories, it's the poaching stories, the tree eating bears and countless others. Never a picture. Never a link to any credible source that supports what you claim. When you do occasionally post a link like the one in this thread, it's about sightings over 750 miles from the closest PA border and you expect us to accept it as proof that cougars are here.

Save your stories for someone still young and naive enough to swallow them. Of course, today, even kids are pretty sharp at spotting BS so you'd better stick to the local kindergaten.

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watching tv right nowand history channel is having info on COUGARS .

they have possiblepictures of black puma in west virginia on camcorder.research said it was 27 inchs from nose to hind quarter. and clear shots of LONG tail.

farmer said he was going to shoot it,GAME COMMISSION told him they dont exist and you better not shoot it or you will be arrested.:D

check, it may be playing in your area.

www.history.com

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good grief

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you have to laugh.being that cat on film was estimated at 27 inchs,at least,hard to say it was HOUSECAT.boy, it was BLACK with a real long tail.

that farmer at virginia stated what i quoted above.
:D

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I watched it Sproulman and I didn't hear anyone say anything about you better no shoot one.Most of the programwent on and on about how there's no such thing as a black mountaibn lion.The cat in in west virginia was estimated at 25 inches long.Pretty small don't you think?

How anyone could have watched that and came away believing we have large black cats roaming around is beyond me.

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Heeeere, kitty, kitty, kitty.............

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did you see that they had picture of cougar on trail cam they put on tree?

no, he said he was told it was illegal to kill a cougar that dont exist.it was at the end of show.he said why cant i shoot a cougar that dont exist.

maybe you went
for popcorn:D

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meow

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my Welsh Corgi is 26 inches long.

now he has half an attitude because i told him he was "cougar- sized"


POW!

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my black lab from his nose to his rear is 31 inchs long.

he weights 81 pds.;)


i think they said that HOUSECAT is around 15 inchs:eek:,maybe douge can correct me on that ,if i am wrong on what they said.

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Sproulman,the only trail cam pictures I saw were from arizona where they were trying to het a picture of a jaquar and ended up gettong a mountain lion and some bears.

They may have said that an average house cat is only 15 inches long but we have one that's well over 20 inches.Twentyfive inches is much closer to the size of a house cat than a large mountain lion or black jaguar.

Once again,the evidence they showed,overwhelmingly laid to rest the ridiculous claims of all theblack mountain lion sightings.

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Step away from the crack pipe and go have a drink Sproulman.

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hughesville,pa. pen-dot employee finds dead COUGAR ..

this was in todays SUNGAZETTE PAPER.march 20,2008

her name is MICHELLE VINCENT.
she was working between clearfield /snowshoe,pa on I-80.

this is CLINTON/CENTRE county where i saw my cougar.
this location is about 30/50 miles from where i saw cougar.

she called the PGC to go pick it up.

she said it was big.

her comments, THE BODY WAS ACCROSS THE CENTER LINE,WITH ABOUT 2 FT OF THE BODY ON EITHER SIDE.

it had a muscular build,long tail,tan,solid color,short hair.

she contacted RICHARD MACKLEM of the pgc ,he stated,he did not know?ha,good one........:D


anyhow,here is editor of paper.

[email protected]

you can also just enter WWW.SUNGAZETTE.COM

now, we wait for PGC to admitt or deny..

want to bet they say they could not find the DEAD cat?:eek:

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Richard Macklem, information and education supervisor at the Game Commission office at Antes Fort said he had not seen a report about the road-killed lion and could not immediately confirm what it was, or what it wasn’t.

Not what he said now was it?

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No, they're not!

Watch out for those space ships too