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Just wondering why someone hunting black bear would beshoot a bear smaller than a deer. I had a buddy show me a picture of somebear in the back of someones truck and they wereposing with a sow and 3 cubs they shot. One of the cubswas an albino but the thing only weighed 47 pounds and the other 2 cubs were the same size if not smaller. WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU GUYS THINKING!?!

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Wasn't enough they deleted it over on the PA site, wanted to try and debate it here?

Popcorn......get your popcorn!

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I'll take 2 large popcorn and a small pepsi, rybo.

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Oh shut up. It was a legal bear taken in bear season. Seeing a bear during bear season is a once in a lifetime occurence for many bear hunters. They're not going to glass, field judge and pass on a bear because it doesn't meet the size requirements.

Are you that good at field judging bear weights? They always look bigger than they are and I'm SURE that was a dressed weight because the bear does not go to the check station with the guts still in it. It was probably moving quickly through cover (bears don't hang out in open meadows around here) and the guy misjudged the size. I'm sure he wanted to get a bigger bear. Leave it alone already.

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I wasnt gonna get involved........BUT.......it was with two other cubs and the mother. The pict is in this forum. All four bear are in the back of a pickup along with three of the idiots who shot them. So yes they could tell the difference in size. And they should go back to banning of shooting cubs.

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Agreed

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Ha that's funny I guess I should have read that other thread. My buddy showed me the pic out of the Times News. I didn't realize there was already a thread started. I've seen smaller shotin past years but the whole bear thing is way over done. I guess compared to a squirrel those are somebig bear.

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I'd be willing to bet that if anyone on this forum seen any one of those bears in the woods would have their guns shouldered and safeties clicked off so fast it'd make your head spin.The bears are legal--check the PGC laws.Bears are managed totally differant than deer and cubs are killed every year and yet the population keeps growing and their territories keep expanding.

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I WONDER IF ALL THE BEARS WERE WALKING TOGETHER AND THEY SHOT THE MOM THEN THE CUBS?
I GUESS IF YOU KILL THE MOM WILL THE CUBS SURVIVE?
MAYBE ALL THE SAME IF THEY KILLED THE MOM FIRST,.
MYSELF I WOULD PASS , ONCE IN A LIFETIME OP, OR NOT I WOULD LET THEM PASS AND HAVE A GOOD STORY TO TELL FRIENDS

DR KILL

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I'll take that bet. I figure if they arent bigger than my dog Im not shooting them and he weighs over 110 pounds.

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Good for you, but when my hunting party drives 2 miles of laurel, briars and clear cuts and i proceed to tell them I have a great story on how I passed on a 50lb cub that walked by, I have to sleep with 1 eye open @ camp. This debate will go back and forth every year.

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I'll take that bet too.

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I'm just curious but what exactly do you do with a 47 pound bear.Do youmake a door mat or do you full mount it for all to laugh at. Maybe even take your 15 pounds of meat and throw the rest away.I would like to hearwhat you guys do with it.

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Full body mount no doubt.

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O yea guys by the way here is another twist to this story you guys can fight about. I heard that Cabelas offered the shooter $140,000 for his albino bear! Hmmmmm now what?? I guess it woulda really been smart to pass him up.

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Three guys shot four bears? Something's missing here.
Cabelas is buying the bear? The guy is gonnaanswer to the lawthen. That would be ILLEGAL in PA.
Personally, I'd have passed on a sow with small cubs. To each his own though, as long as it's all legal.

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So I guess killing a rare animal is worth the price then?

livbucks the other guy didnt want to be in the picture.

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if he would have let him grow a year he might have gotten 250k instead of 140,000 ,

just because the superstore cabelas wants to buy it dont make it ethical to kill a sow and her 3 cubs,
could have sold the gulbladders on the black market for 45k each but still dont make it right

dr kill

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Of course they bring bears in with the guts still in them..Were you born yesterday or just brain dead..LOL

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What are you talking about? Why would you drag a bear through the woods with the guts still in? You want to drag 30% more weight? Do you want the guts to stay in there so the meat goes bad? Do you want to drop the guts on the butcher's or taxidermist's floor? Look in the mirror before statements like this. Why wouldn't field dressing the animal be the first thing you do after shooting it?

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Seems fitting - then the "happy hunter" would have to be reminded of his 47 lb trophy every single day -

doesn't sound like much of a trophy, or even a worthy hunt,to me. Killed it cause he could. [:'(]

fh

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I'm very thankfull for the hunters that are satisfide with a cub, If it wasn't for them my area would have been over run with bears. They have been getting thickerand thicker around here every year . I can't bring my self to shoot one but I have killed 4 large bears already.True hunter do not belittle other legal hunters .If you do not have something nice to say about legal huntingdo not side with the antis.I'm not going to comment about someoneshooting a spike,doe, fawn ,a young bull,or anything that's legal .Please take a good look at yourself ,are you a hippacrit?[spell check anyone]


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I have to double check NYS Laws but I think it is illegal to shoot a Sow with cubs
I can only speak for myself I would have passed on the bears but to each his own
Last year I has a huge black bear spook a 7 pointer on me in my shooting lane I had the flinter ready to go and here come this bears up the ridge in the berry patch myself have no need to take a bear unless in a threat to me .I can say we had a large number of bears this year on the mountain up near Hancock n.y. they due create a
problem only reason is the people with the feeders draw them in and when the feeders are empty now they start getting into there homes looking for food can't blame the bears it the people who draw them in.
I would not hesitate to shoot any bear or animal if it becomes a threat to me or someone else in season or out of season.
I am not a trophy hunter but I feel if you take a animal deer ,bear ,fish, make good use of it or just let it walk
I think life is a gift no matter if you are a animal or a person and enjoy it while here on this earth

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As for the mount, I recomend toilet seat cover.
I don't think I would shoot the bear if I knew it was small. I can say I know how hard it is to judge bear. I have taken many bear and there are some 100 lb bear mixed in there i would have sworn were 150lb.

That being said. I am not game for shooting a cub (if I know it). But I have shot fawns bowhunting the urban zones and shot does with fawns. Lots of us would have no problem with this, but would shun the same when it comes to bear. Why is this. I honestly have no idea.

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The PGC has elected to make any bear legal in PA during the season legal - period. The population is still increasing. When you figure that the 3 day season (not counting the archery season) accounts for close to 3000 bear every year - that's a lot of bear. One reason that they made cubs legal could possibly be the way they are hunted. In most places there is not time to judge size. Prior to making cubs legal I know of a person who shot a 200 lb bear and when he checked it in was fined for killing a cub because it still had its 'milk teeth'. I've killed 3 PA bears - 97#, 189# and 259#. Every one of these bear were likely jumped by another hunter and running hell bent for the next county. The 189 pounder was a sow which I didn't know had cubs that couldn't keep up with her and I didn't see them until after I shot her. Yeah, it made me sick. I've passed up on sows with cube before.
What would be logical would be to allow bait hunting like in many other states. That would allow the hunter time to evaluate the animal for size, sex, cubs. etc. But you know that will never happen in PA. And those of you that say it isn't ethical to hunt bear over bait probably have never did it. But I bet you use deer scents and/or calls to attract deer!!

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I doubt very much that Cabela's offered 140,000 dollars for an albinobear cub.

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I totally agree. Can you imagine the poaching effect that would cause?