RE: At least some PA hunters like the program
 

hey chickie,did you know the buttons you are saving on your land will leave and grow to be mature bucks on somebody elses land?
And I hope the buttons you say you shot on the SGL isn't within a couple miles of your property.If so you might have shot your future bucks.LMAO

I've been hunting for 36 years now so I have an idea how to find deer and deer sign.I've been on the state forest land and I feel for the guys stuck on there.It's not going to get better because they won't allow it.I'll never hunt on DCNR land again and I would advise anybody hunting there to find another place whether it be a PA lease or another state.That's just the way it is.

RE: At least some PA hunters like the program
 

I have what I think is a perfect example of what is happening across much of the state. My family owns and hunts a 600 acre peice of property. For the past 10 years, we have intensly managed this property for big deer. We have roughly 12 guys in camp during deer season. Most, with the exception of a few kids abide by an 8pt, wide as its ears or bigger rule. Within 5 or so years, it started paying big dividends for us. In fact, one year, we took 9 8-points with spreads 15" or better with 3 over 20".

Now, our property is bordered almost entirely by state corrections ground. Up until two years ago, they would only hold a 1 or maybe 2 day anterless only hunt. Last year, they left 300 hunters, by drawing only hunt the property for buck, doe and bear for 3 days. They took 168 deer including many large racked bucks and 12 bears. This year, they held a 3 day hunt for 600 hunters. Approximately 65 deer were taken with only a few decent bucks. Quite a drastic change if you ask me.

This year, our property seen an enormous decrease in deer heard. None of us seen as many deer or bucks. We took 3 real nice ones, but the sheer lack of numbers was alarming. Did our property need a herd reduction? You bet. At one time we had entirely too many deer. But we're seeing the affects of the prison hunt from last year. The prison grounds are roughly 5000 acres if I'm not mistaken, which is plenty. But combine that with all the neighboring properties taking deer each year and you have a total decimation of a herd.

I've been told by a reputable source that the PGC fueled the slaughter on the prison ground. They're desperate. They need revenue. And if they can use these types of places to create an interest, they will. I by no means am saying that they shouldn't hunt the prison each year. Thats not fair to other hunters who don't have a place to go. But, I'm saying they went overboard, way overboard.

RE: At least some PA hunters like the program
 

BTBow/germain; yes I know about dispersal,I'm a deer hunter and if the next one to come past in range is a 18" 10 pt great if it's a BB great. I have noneed to bolster my ego by strutting around with large antlers to prove my womanhood. It doesn't prove I'm a better deer hunter just because it has more bone.Yes Ikill BB on property in 3a that is public land with my bow and will continue doing so until it becomes illegal to do so. Yes I reserve the right to limit whomI will allow to hunt on MY land.
Is any of that illegal activity???? Unsporting????? In my eyes anyone whom does their very best to promote themanagement Pa's deer herd for trophy hunting at the cost of youth dropping out due to few deer sightingsis unsporting and an egotist...but it is not illegal activity anymore than my just being a deer hunter and happy with killing a few BB each year is.
There is a small hand painted sign on the fence gate next to the lane leading to our farmhouse that reads: Alt supporters need not ask permission to hunt!

RE: At least some PA hunters like the program
 

I take that to mean they are automatically welcome and don't have to ask. Is that what the sign actually says? Is there really a sign? Are you aware that Dr. Alt has not worked for the PGC for a few years now?

RE: At least some PA hunters like the program
 

Troll? delusional? confused? hypocrite? Well lets see.....


but here's a quote that sounds kinda like strutting to me:



And then "it" said.....


but wait, here's another quote.....

and another.....

confused? hypocrite? egotistical? troll?

Occasionally we get a member on here that really stands for nothing more than inserting themselves into a controversy and just has to post to stir the pot and will say just about anything to get a rise out of others.

RE: At least some PA hunters like the program
 

liv: maybe I should've said between the No Trespass signs on the gate hangs the sign.
Happily Alt is gone sadly those he conned into thinking Pa could become Iowa by letting 1.5 yr old bucks get harvested at 2.5 yrs old (when they are suddenly a trophy) at the expense of the anterless herd remain.
Here's an idea; Load up yourHyndai Accent with BTB,Rob,yourself....split the gas and drive out to Iowa. Look for open unposted land that harbors mega bucks and ask for permission to hunt for free...don't return to Pa without finding it. That should keep Pa beautiful for a few years anyway. EC

RE: At least some PA hunters like the program
 

Once again I wonder what it is that BTB is so afraid of. Could it be the opposite viewpoint??? Or is it the correct viewpoint that scares him so?????????

RE: At least some PA hunters like the program
 

Which opposite viewpoint would that be?

RE: At least some PA hunters like the program
 

Are you honestly blinded by the truth or do they not let you out the door of your small little world thus only giving you ample time to scream jibberish out of the tiny windows. I can make this real simple. Nobody is saying what you did was illegal. However, it is the epitomy of hipocrite of which you are a shining example. Here, I'll try and explain as slowly as possible.

First off being the great hunter that you proclaim yourself to be I will assume that you do realize that at the time of harvest a buck is either 2 1/2 or 3 1/2 years old (unless you have magical deer that are born in November). I am also going to assume that you aren't the first person in history to have a Phd in "judging deers age from 30 yards away while hanging from a tree". Which means that the 8 pointers you shoot are either 2.5 or 3.5 years old at the time of the shot. Hmmmm...this is starting to sound strikingly familiar. Now last time I checked, for a deer to be 2.5 years old it must have been passed up by YOU when it was 1.5 years old which should have been simple since you are the deer aging queen. But wait a second, if I remember correctly you said letting 1.5 year old deer go won't make trophies but yet you admit doing so on your own land.

I find it quite ironic that you crucify Alt for implementing a plan statewide that you yourself practice on you own land. That my friends is the poster child for hipocrites everywhere.Here's an idea, load up your vehicle with ummm.....well, anyone who will listen to your nonsensical rants. Don't bother splitting the gas...you'll probably be flying solo anyway. Print out the majority of posts you have made on this thread and be sure to take them with you. Now drive to the local walmart and find the largest mirror they have in stock. Stand in front of said mirror reciting your posts to yourself over and over. When you get tired of hearing yourself talk come on back and post some more. That will definitely give us all a few months off.

RE: At least some PA hunters like the program
 

BTB I'll let you play by yourself for a while.I have BB sausage to broil for the real men in my life.