ORIGINAL: eagle chickie

BT not hard to tell which group you fall into is it? Your arrogance belies you, what gives you the right to "assume" other hunters aren't as adept as you at finding new hunting areas?
The questioning of the PGC's management isn't about AR it is about not manageing the deer herd in general correctly. The PGC's spokesman got his viewpoint to be accpeted by a minority of Pa sportsman. Mainly the type of hunter whom watches too much Outdoor Life channeltv, onmidwest whitetail hunts.What he failed to get questioned on is why protect a male deer for just 1 more year? Anyone in the know realizes that it takes a min. of 4.5 yrs to produce bucks of a harvest age in a well managed herd.
I liken the PGC's deer management to the Iraq war strategy...neither had a good withdrawl plan in place before they forged ahead. deer numbers have been reduced in nearly all parts of the state...BUT THE PGC DOESN'T HAVE A PLAN TO GET OUT OF THE ANTERLESS HARVESTS AT THE RATE THEY PUT IN PLACE!! other than to make token WMU wide tag allotment reductions.

livbucks and some people don't understand what they read,like yourself.
I don't kill BB on my property I do it on other property open to the public. Some joins mine some is in other WMUs near my home, and yet others are DMAP.
**Allow me to state I have been repectfull in my posts no name calling ,etc. I have and continue to keep an open mind to the fact that while I am operating within the law and doing what I feel is an aide to the PGC. That it is not an opinion held by everyone on this board.To them I wish continued luck/enjoyment in their pursuit of sport. Understanding that like in all walks of life not everyone agrees on every issue.I also am under the impression of this board is forthe discussion of hunting topics both pro and con to your own viewpoints... not a 1 sided approach to find "yes men" with 1 view point shared by all, damming the other's. EC

Those of you that chase the horn have every legalright to do as you please and you won't see me posting comments about the disservice you are doing to the herds and fellow sportsmen/women.Well I have as much legalright to do as I please. If you don't like the law that protects 1.5 yr olds but allows killing BB then go get that changed. The PGC has asked for help in reducing deer numbers by offering all the modes of killing what they define as anterless deer.Me, I like 6 month old venison back straps and frankly most 6 month old males are larger than the females of that age so I'll keep right on passing mature does andplacing my pins on the BB!
I have a den full of deer racks (8 that score above P&Y mins and of that 8, 4 that score over 150") sure some pup will now shout "post pictures or I'll claim you a troll...bla bla bla",well IF I feel real energetic I may scan a few but at my leisure not at your demands.
Until then I still have 4 more tags to fill and can you guess what I'll be looking for to put in the freezer.

What do you tell the people who have jobs and only get out maybe 3 days to hunt? What are you goanna tell the kids who hunt with these main majority of people? Believe it or not, these are the majority of hunters who buy their license. I hope the PGC will see it like this instead of catoring to the ones who don't bring them in the most income. Ask a child what they want to see? Deer of any kind. To cater to the minority is really bad bussiness. If a store doesn't sale a product of popularitythat the majoritywants, Are theygoanna shop there for that product? Not a chance.

ORIGINAL: eagle chickie

I don't have a problem with ARs . But I do have a problem with killing so many does to "manage" for bucks. I'm a deer hunter first and foremost. It is a small minority of hunters whom want so few does just to have some nicer bucks that are legal @ 2.5 yrs of age to be killed.For everywannbe trophy hunter that ishappy with few deer sightings, I'll wager 10 deer hunters could be found whom aren't
The PGC whom needs $now needs the revenue generated by anterless tags and can't afford to cut back to a reasonable number per each WMU. To me that isn't management but a rape of a resource for $$.
Who other than the PGC has the arrogance to cut services,products (deer and other game animals) and cry they need more $ and need rate hikes at the same time. I think they took their money management courses from OPEC!

ORIGINAL: BTBowhunter

Kengston, i sympathize with the guys who only get a few days to hunt but if they want to hunt, maybe they should spend a little off season time helping improve their odds for when that precious time finally arrives.

I respectfully disagree that three day hunters are the majority. At least I hope thats not true. I seriously believe the majority is happy.Anyone involved with marketing, opinion polls, sales, statistics, will tell you that unhappy voices are about 10 times more likely to speak and to speak louderand longer. Based on the approval versus disapproval I've seen, it seems to me that the majority is being served.

ORIGINAL: Kengston

How many hunters do you see during the first two days and then only on weekends? Every where you see them. During the week very few. So I would think these are the majority ones.If not,You would see the majorityevery day I believe. You think the majority of the hunters wanted the does to be slaughtered every year? As it has been said, AR and the doe population are two different situations. You can have your AR bucks and the large numbers of doe also. So why the killing and large numbers of doe tags being sold?
I believe the people been speaking out for the last few years, Guess what, nothing has changed.
As what you have seen is greed. Plain and simple. You know the PGC is hurting for money. You think they can afford to go cold turkey without the revenue or a better plan to meet their money needs? Not a chance. You read about their monies problem. Screw the deer we need money. This is the truth. They got no plan now as they did before the greed sit in. Thats what getting them in trouble, Greed. The first couple years when they started the reduction wasn't thatbad, But to carry it on for five years now BTB is ridiculous. You goanna sale more permits than there is deer? No your not. But the PGC is and has been for the last few years. Look at just the doe tag sales. You think the deer herd can sustain this kind of assault on them year after year? Not a chance. I want to see more than a handful of deer when I go hunting.

HR cant go on forever and we may behave arrived at the time where we need to level off the doe kill.