Reread my posts on this and you will see I never say this.
This is pretty much my opinion:
I agree totally that your area may need help and will support and changes they are well researched and can be monitored for real results.

I will also fight any suggestions for a state wide change that would have primary benefit to only yours and a few other areas and is not needed in mine.

Good luck
Steve


Steve

You're the man!

I wouldn't be for a 1 buck rule. My reasons are simple. If a bowhunter or muzzleload hunter harvested a buck in the early season. Then didn't recieve a DMP tag, his season would be over come Reg. seasons. He'd be done hunting until late season.
Presently a hunter canharvest a buck in early season, and another during Reg. season. Many hunters travel throughout the state & hunt different WMU's., and other woods. The only way a hunter can take 3 bucks during a yr season is if they have a leftover Reg. season tag from the previous yr. , and hunt the last 4 days of Sept. in the Northern tier with a bow.
The only thing I might be for is a hunter can take only 1 buck in a WMU. His 2nd buck has to be harvested in another WMU.

So again I ask, what suggestions would you have that are specfic to the issue, except a vague response of, slow with great for-thought? You don't agree with the one buck rule or AR or spread guidelines? Or do you, but only in needed area's that are voted on by the hunters in that specfic WMU as I was alluding to?I agree with you that if your area is fine, then place no restrictions on it. I just want to get my area to your area's level, that's all. Sure, lets take it slow, but lets discuss options rather than shoot any idea's down. I'm definantely open to idea's.

I don't know 1st hand what the problems are in your area so why would my input matter? Sorry if that seems vague to you, butI personally would place a much higher value on info provided by thoseaffected 1st hand and not mine.

Come up with ideas that will help all hunters in your area, and you will have my full support.

I could support a one buck rule - again in those specific areas demonstrating need where it could help.

I will not support mandatory Ar of any kind anywhere. Regardless of what some Pa hunters feel, I do not believe its value has been demonstrated. In fact, some states down south where it has been in effect for much longer are seeing negative results - "hygrading" and actual decrease in the rack size.

If somehow it did produce larger racks, I would still be anti for 2 reasons:
First - any mature deer now is special but available in most areas. Restrictions geared to produce higher %'s would to me, lesson their uniqueness.
Second - these days, areas with the reputation for big bucks quickly become areas few can hunt. Outfitters or clubs acquire the hunting rights and the majority of local hunters lose any access to land. At $3000 plus for a 5 day hunt, how many people that live in or near Pike County Illinois(example) ever get to hunt there.

I wish there was easy answers to produce the balance we all would like - I don't have any but like you, seek them and are eager to listen.

Steve

Point taken Steve, then I do feel where somewhat on the same page, just that I'm not explainling myself clearly and that's my fault. At least we both agree we (I) would like some easy answers or plan to help increase deer population as well as achieving antler size, in my area or those that are having similar issues. Not to be mis-understood, I'm no trophy hunter, but the lack of seeing such bucks in my area is a real bummer.[&o]

Also, I gather from a few other post (those that are having a bad or good year in NY, may boil down to if they are hunting private or public land. I know thats another post in itself.

Like you, I don't have the answers, but the eagerness to learn the pro's and con's of all proposed plans. Thanks for you time and input!

I thought we where actually pretty close.

Steve

I like the one buck rule, Theres not that many deer up here

In fairness it should be a unit by unit consideration.As some have stated their populations are fine and others have stated that their area's are lacking.In 3a and 3c the population is not that strong,there are pockets that hold plenty of deer (of course mostly doe's,way out of balance)and there are area's that are completely void.In the last couple of years,(not this year) I have been on snow up high in these units and walked for miles never cutting a track.
I am a three season hunter and it would not bother me a bit if I was restricted to one buck,I could still fill a muzzleloader or late season archery tag with a doe,even if I drew no management permit or permits.

i think theres more bucks than we think, i hunted hard since october and havent gotten one buck, and actually only seen 1 in all that time, i checked my trail camera, wich is over some bait (i dont hunt any where near) and 6 bucks visited itin 2 days than the batterys died from flashing so much.
If we could bait we would do so much better its not even funny, the deer were actually coming out in the middle of the day to eat before the other deer, even when we had those 70+ winter heat waves