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RE: One buck rule
One buck sounds good to me.
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RE: One buck rule
How about keep the 2 buck rule. 1 in archery and 1 in gun season but the 2nd buck must be 4 on a side?
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RE: One buck rule
ORIGINAL: Sylvan Wow, someone who can approach this subject unselfishly and with a rational mind. How refreshing! Well let me start by saying that I can't speak for all of NY state but only my little piece of it. In my little piece I reject totally the premise that mature buck are that rare. Now granted, I'm retired and have a lot of time to hunt, and do, and I'm fortunate enough to be able to hunt a fair amount of good private land but still, as far as I can tell mature whitetail buck are taken pretty much everywhere in NY under the current rules. So we are not talking about not having the option to hunt them but about how to increase the chances of getting one for those that it's important to. Seems that you and I both understand that for many, it's not important at all. I might argue that it's not important enough to most hunters and totally eliminating their current option of taking a small buck wouldn't balance against the wants of a few to merely increase their chances of taking a large mature one. But no matter, even if it's the wants of a few, the desire is a legitimate one and the question you posed was how to satisfy both camps. I really don't think it is possible to do that on a state wide basis so I would suggest it's done kind of piece meal. Why not set aside given areas kind of like they do now with the trophy sections on streams. I won't suggest specific details right now as that would take some serious planning but it seems that kind of approach might indeed let everybody have their cake and eat it too. With regard to xbows. Certainly. I wouldn't be interested myself but an xbow season would certainly increase our options and might get a few more youngin interested in hunting. |
RE: One buck rule
Thought that I had in the stand tonight:
How about you get a 2nd buck tag if the first is checked in and aged at 3 1/2 or older. Many whosupport AR claim they do it for "health" of the herd and not trophy management. Give them a chance to prove it. Shoot a mature deer first and you get to keep hunting - shoot a young one and you are done. Steve |
RE: One buck rule
Hate the 1 buck idea. I really can't undersstand why people are entertaining this. The replies should have what the individuals hunt (ie - bow, gun, ML) I assume most that like the idea hunt with gun only (I could be wrong). I hunt with all 3 and want the opportunity to do so each year. As far as buck/doe ratios, are we again trying to manage for trophy deer hunting?? Why not shoot more doe to get a "better" buck to doe ratio? (I don't reallly agree with that either - seems as "foolish" as 1 buck plan). However, I don't necessarily think the second buck with some sort of antler restriction is a bad idea. Maybe would be a "compromise". However, I don't know why we would need a compromise, because I don't think this 1 buck idea is/will go anywhere (don't hear about or see it in the DEC/sportsmens clubs/etc. circles).
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RE: One buck rule
ORIGINAL: SteveBNy Many whosupport AR claim they do it for "health" of the herd and not trophy management. Give them a chance to prove it. Shoot a mature deer first and you get to keep hunting - shoot a young one and you are done. |
RE: One buck rule
isent it a one buck rule? just one with the bow and one with the gun. whats wrong with that?
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RE: One buck rule
DB - I'm not advocating it - just throwing out stuff to see what sticks. Just a dig at what I view is the disingenuous claim of most AR advocates that they are QDM when the majority just would like have it easier to take a "quality" (whatever that is) buck. And they want everyone else to follow their methods only - read mandatory.
I'm in southern 7j and 7h and agree with you. There are hunt-able numbers of true mature deer here if that's what you want. To manipulate their their number to obtain a higher percentage would only lower their uniqueness. I think ANY AND ALL changes need to be done slowly, with great for-thought, a way to review measure impact, and DONE ONLY at a WMU level or lower. Their is no universal problem in the state - so NO universal changes should be attempted. Steve |
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Steve, isn't that what I was saying. That each area is different for various reasonsand any effects on the deer heard. I agree, shoot more doe's, but in my area they where limited. 5 guys, including myself didn't get doe tags this year for rifle season. I wouldn't want to limit someone's hunting, but look at ways to improve it in certain area that may need it. Seems alot of the post are stating they are not seeing as many deer and deer harvest seems to be down since 2002. I'm just looking for some answers, suggestions and theories.
What is your suggestion? None, because your area is fine and the heck with the rest of us? Looking to band hunters together for the common good, so if as a collective most hunters in NY think their hunting experience is great the way it is, so be it. If not, lets just discuss options. Yes, what is quality deer? Balance healthy heard with a good percentage being mature bucks. So I like to feed the deer year round so they are a little beefier when I or friends and family harvest them. No harm, no fowl. Just giving back to the enviroment for all wildlife, rather then just taking. But thats just me, I'm not imposing that belief on anyone. The increase in sightings this year on my property have been tremendous, but manyhunters statedeer numbers are down and I'm just trying to help find solutions. You? |
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I cannot speak for the rest of NY but I am definitely in favor of a 1 buck rule and no doe permits for my area. 3c and 3j Ulster County NY.
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