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RE: Dealing with trespassers in New York
No offense, but I definately see that you are just like some of those I dealt with when I owned my land. While you may not like us, we are a fact of life, and what we do with the land we buy is our business, and ours only. While I would likely allow a few people I get to know from the area tohunt on my land, I would NEVER allow anyone to hunt just because I was not "local" and they were. Or better yet, to stop them from doing something ILLEGAL. Luckily, I can handle my own business when it comes to illegal things, I feel sorry for those "non-locals" who can't.
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Had the same kind of problem on my OK property. One day i ran off a pair of quail hunters on my posted place. One was an OK City lawyer the other an OK City cop.
Fixed it by inviting the county sheriff and his deputies to use the shooting range on the place. Not a tresspasser in years. |
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I will probably befriend the local/state police in the area and invite some of them to hunt the property. I will also make sure to solidify my friendship with the neighbors that respect my land. I will however, do anything I can to catch the poaching *#@$&!s that ignore my posted signs and kill anything that walks.
It is the lack of respect that gets me. Some feel they are above the law. I totally disagree with the "this land is your land, this land is my land" hippie BS or the "locals have hunted it for generations" crap. I paid alot of money for my property and continue to pay taxes on it. I have a right to limit access to it however I please. I don't yet have a hunting cabin on the land. I can only imagine what will happen to that if I don't take care of the problem now. |
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4sight, i totally agree with everything that you have said on this thread. It is your property and you have the right to exclude whoever you please. i feel exactly the same way that you do about trespassers and slob "hunters."
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ORIGINAL: Airborneguy "...what I'm saying is that you'd better be prepared to deal with some pretty rough characters." |
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Exactly my point John. Difference between me and them is I deal with threats very quickly. You don't survive 5 years working in Brooklyn without knowing that.
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The next time you guys see people hunting your property, without permission, go up to there vehicles,flatten some tires, bust a few windows and fill the locks with Super Glue. They won't be back.
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ORIGINAL: Windwalker7 The next time you guys see people hunting your property, without permission, go up to there vehicles,flatten some tires, bust a few windows and fill the locks with Super Glue. They won't be back. |
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ORIGINAL: tatonka I obviously have hit a nerve here, Bawanajim... What I'm seeing is two very different generations of hunters and landowners. I'm guessing I'm quite a bit older than the people making the last few posts here and I'm guessing you all haven't grown up in small rural communities. I've worked all my life and recently retired. Years ago landowners were farmers (where I grew up). No one bought a chunk of land just for hunting. In the small rural communities everybody knows everybody and hunting was just part of the yearly cycle. There was no posted land. If you were out hunting and happened to see a farmer on a tractor, you walked over and visited for a while. People hunted where they lived......no one went went to another part of the state, out of state, etc. With the completion of the interstate system travel to the small rural communities was much easier. People with money from the cities started buying up land for weekend retreats....not for hunting at first, but for weekend getaways to ski, just enjoy the country, etc. With the influx of the people from the cities came the posting of the land and with the posting of the land came a lot of hard feelings and resentment. Sure, those people paid taxes (like everyone else), but they contributed little else to the community. They didn't buy much there other than a little gas and food when they were there for the weekends or on vacation. In effect, they contributed little of nothing to the local economy. Then there were those who decided to move up from the city and "get away" from it all. Usually what happened was after a year or two they started trying to make things just like it was where they came from....they wanted better roads, better schools, etc. Along with all of this came higher taxes, higher real estate prices, and more resentment. So, you ad "No trespassing" and "No Hunting" signs on top of all of this and you can see why things became the way they are. If you understand human nature you will know that lack of control creates anger. Just take a look at some of the things we read about with sporting events when parents, coaches, etc. get upset with a ref, umpire, etc. When a ref makes a bad call, people have absolutely no control over the situation and they sometimes get angry and lose it. Posting land creates a similar situation....people have lost control and become very angry and sometimes do things they normally wouldn't do. I'm just trying to provide a little understanding here of why posting land creates the problems it does. You also need to understand the type of people you are dealing with. The people who sneak onto posted land, jack deer at night, etc. are not your conscientious sportsmen. These guys are derelicts and to put it mildly they are not very nice guys. I'm not saying they just be allowed to do whatever they want to do because they are how they are.....what I'm saying is that you'd better be prepared to deal with some pretty rough characters. I don't know what the answer is, but I can assure you that posting land will always create problems..... I'm just trying to shed a little light onhow things have developed over the years and why things are the way they are... What I'm feeling here is that good old American greed......Posting land is nothing but a very selfish, self-centered act. I own 150 acres in Crawford county.The land has been purchased over the years as adjoining lands go for sale I have bought them. I bought each one for the same reason and that is to keep people from building homes on them.On these lands I have planted dozens of apple trees,500 white pines & built three ponds. If you read on some other forums you find many threads about the poor sportsmanship shown to fellow hunters. The stealing of tree stands is a popular one. It is not golfers that are stealing hunters tree stands it is fellow hunters.The quality of men that hunt today is not the same as the people I grew up hunting with. If a man shot a deer near you it was the sign of a sportsman to offer to help drag it out ,elderly hunters were put on the best stands and you put your best effort into making sure they got the shot.These Ole timers wives made the best chocolate chip cookies and even better chile. Lunchtimes were the greatest . Today we have a different standard for what a great hunt is. Again read some post about so called sportsmen belittling hunters for shooting a buck that has not reached maturity. Horn porn is the rage! The big question now is "What did he score" We have the "Q.D.M." people that tell you you are fool not to kill any doe you see. We have lost sight of what we hunt for. I hunt alone or with a small group of family and Friends that believe as I do.Is my land posted ? You betcha! Both gates leading to my land have my name and phone number posted on them ,has anyone ever called? Nope. |
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You are so correct, it is gone.I miss it all terribly.
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i agree with your comments..quality of hunters today is disgusting..no respect for doe or fawns,its all about getting freezer meat..
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city people that have boughtsome ofthe farms where I live have actually hurt the hunting. at one time hunters were roaming all over the area and kept the deer moving, now with part of the land posted we see fewer deer during the season.
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ORIGINAL: coffee4 city people that have boughtsome ofthe farms where I live have actually hurt the hunting. at one time hunters were roaming all over the area and kept the deer moving, now with part of the land posted we see fewer deer during the season. Get family or Friends to buy it ? |
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How sad it is that someone legally put their land up for sale and then someone else legally bought it and decided to use it for their own legal pursuits.My new neighbor bought his house and painted it a different color that it was all of these years. that really boiled nerves! :eek:
PS... I was really pissed when I found out that "locals" were dumping trash on my land and using it as an access point for the state land behind it. Me and you have something in common... oh no, wait,my problems wereillegal.... |
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If you neighbor is willing to tell you that they saw people poaching can't they do the neighborly thing and call the police for you. "Hire" them to be your property custodians along with the right to enforce your posted signs. They seem willing to help.
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Well, I went back up for closing weekend to find one of my trail cams missing. You could see the screw still in the tree bent by them prying it off.
I went to the local office of the New York State Police to report the trespassing. They had me give a depostion naming just those people who have permission to be on my property without me present. They said anyone caught on the property who is not on the list will be arrested for criminal trespass. The police told me the deposition states that I want to press charges automatically and makes any contact with me prior to arrest unnecessary. Catching them there is another story. The only thing I took home from hunting this year was aggrivation. I hope next year will be better. |
RE: Dealing with trespassers in New York
ORIGINAL: coffee4 city people that have boughtsome ofthe farms where I live have actually hurt the hunting. at one time hunters were roaming all over the area and kept the deer moving, now with part of the land posted we see fewer deer during the season. |
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