Thank you for your input old timer. I will live the rest of my life to your standards. I'm most greatful for your insight and wisdom. Is there anything else you have to bestow upon a humble hunter unable to treck many miles into the Pennsylvania wilderness to harvest a grouse or pheasant or deer?

Please list them in the order you feel most important. Once again, I seek your forgiveness for thinking as a free man and thank you for your wonderful suggestions..

i dont believe hunters are spoiled and lazy. but you are welcome to your opinion. we all want to bring our kids up in a hunting tradition. with no deer ,no grouse, no pheasants,no rabbits etc. you go out and ask kid if he wants to hunt even if they let him /her hunt all year. most say no,why, no deer.then pgc wants to have kid grow up to be a doe hunter not buck hunter.our fathers raised us as BUCK HUNTERS.it was a kid growing into man thing.you only killed a old doe if too many were in your hunting area. never small doe or fawn.our dads instilled that in us. what is kid getting today. hey kid, go out and chase that fawn,if he can see one.hey kid, go get a doe.boy, thats something for kid to go back to school and brag about.my kids are grown up.to this day they hunt for buck,not doe or fawn.they saw good years.kids today have been betrayed by forest interests,dcnr/pgc.sadly, i tried, you tried, we all tried to stop this madness of killing off the doe/fawns.i do believe its going to get a lot worst than now.i just talked to 2 people today that always got their hunting license.they said they quit buying fishing license and this year will be last for hunting license.that is , my friend ,sad.

Speaking of pheasants I was hoping the blue pheasant project would work out.They were woodland birds but never took off.
Denny was saying that the farming practices would have to go back to the old days to make for good pheasant hunting which I agree with.But I do see some good pheasant habitat on SGL's where they stock them.Problem is the stupid birds are too tame and easy pickins for fox and such.
As for the grouse,they do run a cycle but the trend has been downward beyond the natural cycle.These wild birds are better at escaping predators then rabbits or pheasants so I think it would be a good idea promote more habitat for them and see what happens.There's too many damn foxes,coyotes,and hawks for rabbits and pheasants out in the wild anymore.I'm not sure if the blue pheasant was better with predators or not.
Doug,here's a problem I have.A fellow I know in Potter has a hundred acres he owns and another 600 he leases with some others.They have never shot does.Yet every year they kill nice buck in archery and see plenty of deer overall.You take a trip down the road a couple of miles on public land and the deer are very scarce,same type of woods.I realize you'll have to take my word on this one but let's look at Greenwood RD.You spot through there and there's plenty of deer usually some real nice wallhangers.The woods along that road which are heavily posted eventually turn into state forest.Same habitat but when you hit the state forest there's very few deer.In these two cases and Tusc in Perry county won't you agree it comes down to hunter acess and overharvests?

Ahhh Sarcasm. Another sure sign of a frustrated individual. I told you I won't get into a pissing match with you and I won't. You do enough pissin and moaning for all of us. Good Day!

I'm not disagreeing with you guys. Just this other bonehead found the need to direct his frustration on me for some reason. I'm not saying that the PGC isperfect...far from, but our alternative is the DCNR and that could be where it's heading if we as hunters keep attacking the PGC. We need a solution for sure, but I haven't seen the complainers offer much that hasn't been thought of already. I don't pretend to know what the answer is and I'm atleast an honest enough person to admit that. There are an awful lot of monday morning quarterbacks on this thread is all.

This is a good point, and I agree also. But how do some(not you)blame changes in farming and habitat on the PGC.These same people would scream bloody murderthat license fees were raised to 100.00 a year to support all the programs they want the PGC to handle.See what I mean?

"Another sure sign of a frustrated individual."

"I see you turned to insults, "

"Just this other bonehead found the need to direct his frustration on me for some reason."

Now look who's calling the kettle black. You really need to get a grip.

Blue ink, not thats talent, oh and an underlined part of a quote too how nice.

So I guess your admitting you singled me out for some reason? Who needs to get a grip? Did your little friend take his ball and go home now you have noone to play with? Get off my back. Play your pgc politics with someone else.

Sproul, don't you see, that attitude is what led to the messed up herd PA had, and further to the herd restrictions. Instead of worrying about getting a buck you can "brag about", hunters should be worried about keeping the herd healthy and balanced, which is what the states ask us to do. That old time PA thing about "getting my buck", even if its a little spike, has to stop. I personally would be much prouder to shoot an old doe with my bow, than to to shoot a 6 inch spike. But my father raised me to be a DEER hunter, not a buck hunter. Now I am not condoning or condemning the PGC, I am just saying you need to start listening to biologists when they tell you what is good for the deer hers, not old timers who tell you "ya gotta shoot the first spike you see so you can brag to your friends about it".

"TRY", I never singled you out. You seem to be paranoid and as you said "Thin Skinned" to say the least. You accuse me of calling names and then you do the very same thing. You can't have it both ways.

I'm not playing PGC Politics at all. I meerly pointed out some of the mismanagement practices the agency abounds in, as well as noting some of the methods that would improve hunting that the PGC knows about but refuses to administer. I can't understand why you would be so upset about improving hunting opportunities and better habitat. Unless, you don't want us Grouse adn small gamehunters in your bow hunting woods. I think that's what is reallywhy you attack me for posting facts. You want the woods all to yourself. Isn't that reallyit "TRY?"Get the smallgame hunters out of your bow hunting area!

"Crazy" OK I'll play some more seeing as how all your friends moved on. And you don't have the decency to let well enough alone as I asked you to do.

Funny most of your last 50 posts are in one way or another involving the PGC. You left a paper trail. Whatever if thats your deal then OK.

I have no trouble with that whatsoever. Hey I'll even gladly pay 100.00 for a basic license to have those things. How about the rest of the whiners?

[quote]Unless, you don't want us Grouse adn small gamehunters in your bow hunting woods.

More underlining how creative. Oh so you can tell by my screen name that I'm just a bowhunter who cares about nothing else. Wow you really are talented. Maybe if you look deeper into your crystal ball you can tell us how long before the DCNR takes everything over?

Hail Hail Mr All Knowing MaHa "Crazy"



OH now I attacked you? Nice spin move, but again you left a paper trail for all to see. Facts are great! I posted one as my original thought on here ,but you decided to take it personal. Listen "Crazy" This is the last time I'll directly respond to one of your rants. So be sure to get in a good one next time for you'll have the last word.

This is by far your greatest post ever "Crazy"I never ever seen you in the smallgame forumsYou nailed it I'm just a guy who wants the Game Commission to be only about BOWHUNTERS everyone else TOO BAD FOR YOU! OH by the way I've only ever hunted Archery one time. Last year was my first outing with a bow. I'm primarily a rifle hunter and have killed every buck with a rifle. OH yeah I like to go small game hunting as well. You know squirrells, rabbits, grouse...Oh and also the ocasional Pheasnt.

BUT the damn PGC just won't make the farmers create suitable habitat for grouse, pheasants and such So I guess we agree after all

ITS ALL THE PGC'S FAULT

Hey Guys I really do agree with "Crazy" on something probably more things than not. Just don't agree that the PGC is our enemy and don't feel they need blamed for every problem PA hunters face. We should all be looking in a mirror at times.