cougardavile,I'm not saying that it isn't possible that mountain lions exist.I've just yet to see credible evidence.I looked at your site and with all do respect,there's nothing convincing on there.I've seen several pictures posted on the internet over the past year and everyone was clearly a bobcat,yet the argument went on for days on end.Post one of the credible pictures you claim to have seen.

I personally do not know if there are any wild ranging mt lions in PA but I can tell you that our wonderfull PGC loves to cover up any real prove of any being let go or what not. Last yr I was driving to Ridgeway PA in Elk county and it was late and I saw what I thought was a deer dead laying on the road. So as I normally do when I see deer stay laying in the path of the road I stopped to drag it off the edge. I am not Mt lion expert and not claiming to be but what I dragged off that raod wasn't a bobcat and sure as heck wasn't a deer. It could sure of been someones pet that was either released or escaped I don't know but I called the PGC and told them where it was excatly even marked a branch with a glow eye and layed it ontop of the cat. The next day i was courous so I called the PGC again to ask if they found the owner of the cat and this is what I was told.

" It was a yearling deer and I shouldn't be making up lies about mt lions being in PA"

Now this makes me wonder about anything that the PGC got to say. I might not be a expert but I sure do know the diffrence between a yearling deer and a big cat. On the same lines I hunted Elk county in the same mts for close to 15 yrs and nobody in my cabin every seen/heard or even noticed coyotes before. Then about 1 yr all of a sudden every member of our cabin first day of archery we all seen them. PGC claims not to be putting them into the forest also but I have trouble beleiveing the packs grew so large and visibale in 1 yrs time without there help. As already stated I am no expert on this but I don't know. PGC wouldn't surprise me with anything they would do.

Trytan

You found a Mt. Lion ,in PA, lying in the road ,and drug it off to the side and the only follow up was to call the PGC to come and get it!?[:-]
So rather than have them meet you and show them, or drag it in to a regional office and lay it on someones desk as PROOF.......you drag it off the road and let the PGC just "handle it" and the following day you wondered "Boy I wonder what the Game Commision did with that Mt. Lion?"
OMG.

You're serious?

I don't know you and wasn't there so I'm never going to call you a liar, but do you understand that this is the equivelent basically of finding a bigfoot and then just calling a government agency to come and pick it up......"yeah bigfoot is right down by mile marker 57 I threw a branch over him"......."Hey what did you guys do with that Bigfoot yesterday?.....what it was a bear?"

Come on, everybody is looking for the proof , for the smoking gun, and you had it IN YOUR HANDS and drug it to the shoulder of the road?
You guys are killing me with this stuff.

I so very much like the ideas of unknown things running around (love those type of TV shows,) and I would never say it's out of the realm of possibility.By all means everyone please investigate Mt. Lions in this state! It's cool stuff.
Heck I LOVE the animals ,always have...........but somebody who has "Proof", please show us some actual PROOF........PLEASE.

What you "Researchers" need to understand in your scientific studies is that science by nature is skeptical. Don't research and report these things like a cult or some whacky UFO chaser who gets offended when someone raises the possibility that a 3rd hand report could be flawed.
Question everything and presentyour evidenceas a POSSIBILITY, not an attack because no hard evidence is ever brought forward.
A report from here or there or anywhere is automatically presented as proof in a firm stance. That's not how science works.

When all other possibilities are eliminated then what you have left over is STILL not proof without physical tangible evidence so quit ,for the love of god, calling 2nd and 3rd hand "reports" and fuzzy pictures that could have come from anywhere as proof.

It's all conjecture and until the attitude and methods of pursuing things like Mt. Lions in PA changes to something that doesn't sound like the tin foil hat guys talking about crop circles on the back 40 at ol' man Johnson's farm......it's hard if not impossible to take it seriously.

Sorry. We'll (I'll) keep an open mind when it appears that the people presenting these things seem to have one as well.

I'm shocked I can't find anything about this on the internet,just tried to google it and nothing came up.

No really I'm shocked.

Phade..no tangent here and I am not confrontational unless someone is picking on something as small as the spelling of a word. To me that is a bit frustrating. I edited my post to Matt, it was not meant to be "testy", but "funny", I hope he took it that way.

As for news releases, they are coming. More would be published but this is such a sensitive subject, one has to be cautious as to what and how it gets printed.

If you have an interest in mountain lions, information will be shared at the USP, September 10, 2006...The main speaker will be Dr. Dennis Wydra. Please attend, there will be information and pictures for you to see.

You said: "It doesn't hurt to open your eyes, we're mostly beingopen here to it possibly being a cougar, yet you are the one who is insisting thats the only thingit could be"...

"I never said that"......
Cougardaville

The comparison between bigfoot and a mountain lion is a little absurd. There are plenty of mountain lions in the wild and in captivity. There are no bigfoots (bigfeet?) anywhere. Basically, we're seeing mountain lions out of their expected range. That's like catching a sailfish in the Delaware River. It's not like sailfish don't exist - you just don't expect them in the DE River.

From somewhere other then your site.

Matt I don't know why you felt you needed to attack me like you did but I'm sorry if you didn't beleive me. At that time I didn't know there was a whole "mt lion issue" I only thought it was someones pet getting free or something on that line. I know of at least 5 diffrent farms that have hadthem for pets in big cages over the yrs and in that area I did not know who might own 1 but figured since Lake City got alot of farms there someone prolly did and it got free somehow. I certainly didn't put it in the sameline of thought of finding a bigfoot. Iwas in a hurry and only pulled over toremove the animal from the road so nobody hit it in the night. I would of never called the PGC if it wasn't a mt lion. And I only called the 2nd timebecuase I was courous of who in the area owned it.Sorry if my post upset youor made you think less of me but I am not your enemy on this topic since I don't know how to feel about the issue and really never heard anything on this issue till this thread.

Laters
Trytan

This says alot.

If I found a dead mountain lion or an 83lb coyote,authorities would be notified and I'd document the entire episode.I imagine most would do the same.what about the person that hit it?I find it hard to believe that someone would hit a mountain lion and keep going,then have another motorist simply drag it off the road.That story is way out there.Besides,I personally know the WCO who's district includes Lake city.I'll e-mail him andsee if he'll get on here and respond.Since he only has one deputy,he'd surely be aware of the situation.

Coyotes have been around this area for a long,long time.