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RE: Delaware Landowners going too far!

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You are making this to easy

I dont know what you are talking about and I've given up trying. You've admitted you are just looking to sell your land in the future to the highest bidder and you dont care what comes of the land as long as you get the most $$$ you can. Than you call anyone who would like to see the land preserved if possible 'sheep' and make juvenile comments to try and pick a fight.

You've labelled me a 'sheep' and implied I'm just someone who sits on the sideline and waits for the gooberment to take care of my wants. Ok, fine.

Well, I have a clear picture of you in my mind. I see you riding out to your 1 mile spread of land and pulling your ride over to the side of the road. Looking out over it and say 'Man, I havesomething that everyone else wants but its all mind. What a bunch of losers they are. I was just so damn smart to buy this and now everyone is just jealous of me. Damn Im good. And when I no longer need this place, i'm going to sell it for a kings ransome. My daughter will never have to work a day in her life and I can retire to where ever I want. This land will be all houses but i'll have enough to buy just as much land out west somewhere so i'll be fine. Oh look, there's 10 deer coming into my field. I guess they'll all be gone when I sell, but who cares, i'll be long gone with my millions. Hey, I deserve it, I was smarter than everyone else. This is America! Its all about me and my family. To hell with everyone else'

So, call me a sheep all you want. Make your BAAAA noises all you want and chuckle about how smart you think you are. If thats the best you can do, I feel sorry for your daughter. Being raised bynothing more than an arrogant school yard bully. Truely sad.

RE: Delaware Landowners going too far!

You have to watch what you say about me ,You don,t know me ,you don,t know my daughter .
Just because we strive to make our life better .You are the one that asked about selling my land, I never brought it up.You are reaching alot ,go back and read my post ,you will not find the goals you say I have set .
I am older and smarter than you !
Grow up and buy your own land and maybe you kids won't have to live like you do,it is the best thing you can give them.

And if you continue to lie I will again post your own threats.

But Aj will cover for UUUUUUU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

RE: Delaware Landowners going too far!

Hummm post started to belittle a woman?? As I recall this thread was started in response to a woman who basically clear cut her land to make a point."Delaware Landowners going to far"

A link was attached for all to read.Comments and opinions were introduced in this thread on this ladys conduct,opinions and reasoning.Folks like her many times have a negative affect on the future of small commnunities and its land use etc..etc. bla..bla..I simply stated the gobberment as you call it,also plays a big part in all this.

As I recall you did the name calling and belittling.Go back and read your own posts.I don't recall anybody here stating growth or selling ones land was Wrong??

As far as lowering property tax rates and increasing tax rates.What does that have to do with the price of coffee??

I'm not understanding your comment on the city jobs or the $3 gallon gas.
I never mentioned the size or population of my community.
If you think everyone is scurring here for big jobs you have not done your research.Much of the area I live in is farm land.Many of these small towns in S. Delaware(do the research) are bed room towns.

As I get older(never mentioned my age)I will always remember your infinite absolute words of wisdom on land use and rights.

In the mean time you should do more research and listen to what is being said rather than worring about who might be attacking you or siding with another poster. Geeeezzzz

Have a Good One - Get Lots of Sleep.

RE: Delaware Landowners going too far!

This will be my last post on this.

As far as the woman in the article, she cut trees down on her land. She was not cited for breaking any laws and not fined that the article stated because she broke a local rule. What possible problem could you have with that. Do your neighbors call the papers when you cut YOUR grass, call the cops when you pull weeds? Absolutely not. They are her trees, and if she could get permits and approval and wanted to make it a gravel quarry she should and could do it.

Duckmastor, for those people who purchase and own tracks of land for their own use and investment I can assure you that thinking of other people as losers or jealous is the last thing in the world that comes to mind. We think about where to hang stands, grow food plots and how to keep trespassers off. No one dropping serious money on land is doing it because of what other people think of them, it is purely for our personal benefit. With all of the hard work to make the money and own the property, we get the right because we are Americans to legally do what ever we want with the land. Sell it whole, or in pieces or fence it. Any person who blindly and impotently "wishes" that others would do with their land as they would do if by some miracle or lottery win they had the money to own it is living in La La land.

By your opinions it is clear we have different views. I personally believe that it is my responsibility to care for my family and to attain those things which make us happy, safe and secure. I do not expect nor would I count on someone else or the government to provide essentials for me or my family and I definitely would not expect the government to take or control the use of land so I could take part in hunting or fishing. That would be like the government siezing your driveway space due to the local kids wanting a place to play basketball. You may be ok with that type of siezure and control of your home and its driveway, but I am definitely not.

The last point I have, "open space preservation" does not equate to open hunting land. Here in the Northeast, we have quite a bit of "conservation land" of which most of it is only used forpurposes allowed by the local government.Many of those communities completely ban hunting. Because local people allowedcommunities through zoning and conservation easements to control large pieces of open space, they now get the rules associated with governement control such as -
[ol][*]No Hunting[*]No Access before sunrise and after sunset[*]No ATV or Snowmobile access[*]Access to land ONLY on marked trails[/ol]
If those sound like the kind of rules you want to follow, wait for the government to control your open spaces. Me, I'll bust my butt and make the money necessary to insure I can hunt and walk as far offthe trail as I care to on my land. Since it will be a large part of my estate, my children can do with it as they feel.

RE: Delaware Landowners going too far!

MA Jay Thank you I don't have anything to add to your last post.You are more right than these people will ever know.

Owning land is one of the most gratifying things a man can do.And being able to leave it to your family is a gift most will only dream about.

Thanks again Jim

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It is very obvious neither of you gents read the story in its entirety.
You must of buzzed over it and created your own spin based on preconceived opinions.The lady clear cut her property to make a statement,to spite the state.Very obvious from reading the article - Read It.

BTW clear cutting land is not the same as cutting your grass! But not cutting your grass can get you in trouble.

I do expect my goverment who myself and others as a majority elected to protect land,air,water,and other valuable resources from the likes of every land grabbing habitat rapist - or - private land owners from building condo's,townhouses or spec homes to the tune of 6-8-10-12 units per acre.

Landowners do not have some god given constitutional right to do what they damn well please with there land.These are the things I/we entrust the government to control within the confines of federal,state and local laws.If we don't like it - vote em out.

Matter of fact I would much rather have the Fed or State manage open spaces vs some yahoo who has nothing but a dollar sign in mind. Thank the good lord we have ample land around here that the Feds and State control or it would have been raped long ago.

I can hunt,fish,camp,build a fire etc...on any Federal land around here and most State Parks. I can also driven my 4WD on the beaches(with permit).ATV's should be freekin outlawed on ALL fed and state lands. Does nothing but disturb game,and tear up the land.

Far as property values declining.Yes they will.Many many people came here for the open spaces and paid the price.When the open spaces dwindle,are gone,or compromised by land grabbers,property values will decrease.I know people who decided NOT to buy at or around the beach area simply because the density and traffic has become overbearing during the summer months.They have taken there money elswhere.Do your research before you make such broad statements on land values and exclusive rights as landowners.

Have a fine Day

RE: Delaware Landowners going too far!

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I am older and smarter than you !

You dont know me, so thats a pretty bold statement. But, if it makes you feel good,,,,,

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You are the one that asked about selling my land, I never brought it up.

True, so I could get a feel on why you were making your stand. And we all found out why, for the $$$.

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Grow up and buy your own land and maybe you kids won't have to live like you do

If I ever do have kids, they'll live just fine. Despite what people like you do to whats left of our open space.

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And if you continue to lie I will again post your own threats.

I didnt lie, I just told the forum how I perceiveyou. An educated guess from your posts. And I NEVER threatened you. Just a wish. I admit, a childlish outburst, but I felt I needed to sink to your level at the time to get your attention.

RE: Delaware Landowners going too far!

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As far as the woman in the article, she cut trees down on her land. She was not cited for breaking any laws and not fined that the article stated because she broke a local rule. What possible problem could you have with that.

The problem I have is that the only reason those trees are gone is because she didnt like the fact the state targeted her land for possible preservation and she felt her land value had dissappeared, which is just not true. If the land preservation map would have not had been released, those trees and habitat would still be there. That was the point of the whole thread to begin with. Landowners destroying the habitat on their lands just to keep the land value as high as possible so they could cash in. Somewhere along the line, we lost the fact that pretty much everyone feels its wrong for the govt to just take people land for preservation. We all agree that landowners need to be compensated fairly if they decide to dispose of their property. Before we all got distracted by the ugliness of this thread, I think the main disagreement was freedom of landowners to dispose of their lands at will to the highest bidder vs having to wait a bit until the state govt could come up with a plan to try and persuade landowners to preserve the land for a deal that maybe wasnt as much or as quick as a developer could come up with. The landowner saying 'its my land and how dare someone stop me from doing what ever I want' vs the govt saying 'just hold up a bit and maybe we can work on something out 1st' I can see the landowners side, but like I said before, owning open space comes with a different responsibilty than owning a car, house, etc. They arent making more open space. Once land is developed, it isnt going back.

So, if you are a landowner and you resent ANY hold ups in selling your land, we'll never agree. If you destory habitat on your land to drive up your property value for development, I have NO repsect for you. And, if the state wishes to convice landowners not to sell their lands to developers, they need to come up with a plan that will fairly compensate them for their willingness not to take the fast buck. There has to be a middle ground and both sides need to willing to keep an open mind.

RE: Delaware Landowners going too far!

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ORIGINAL: MA Jay

I'll wade in, as this argumant looks REAL different depending on what side of the fence you live on.

Any person I know who owns a large chunk of ground, myself included, invested an awful lot of money on it. There are some pieces of property coming onto the market that are legacy family owned properties which sometimes can be quite large and are essentially the "estate" of the deceased. From the outside it is easy to point fingers and call "greedy" but on the inside you have real people with real lives and real debt and challenges. When they "sell" they have 3 legit options, what the government can scrape together and the red-tape and timeassociated with it, a development firm or to individual investors.If you can't step up to play and bid on that land, what gives you the right to criticize any of the players?1- Because you want open space and hunting lands? If you REALLY wanted it for that you'd be working harder and saving more so you could buy it yourself. If you think it is the governments job to do it and the rest of the tax base's job to buy it and keep it open for you then you need to move to some ultra Socialist society and stand in the bread line on Thursday and take your hand outs. This is America, and the OPPORTUNITY to buy is given to us all. If you lack the resources or desire to take part, 2- you are just a bystander on your 1/4 acre spot and your voice isn't worth squat.

The original point of the article was the government's attempt to use "zoning" and land use restrictions to limit what property owners could do with thier land. There are already very specific laws and rules related to building and land use set in place to control environmental impact. What the government was trying to do is control what and how land owners could use their properties, not to protect the environement but to preserve open space and to appease certainconservation groups. For anyone who doesn't think that land and property is an investment, you are dead wrong. Old time farms were purchased for the revenue potential and long term benefit of the families that owned them. Now that their value is less than their actual land value by 1000 times, why do you think it would be wrong to sell them for the same exact reason they were purchased in the first place?

Now, before you rip into me for looking at this without emotion, but essentially a purebusiness transaction, there are choices and options for those who care. A very powerful thing is a group of like minded people with some financial resources. Buy the land, or in the case of the town I live in, we contribute to a "fund" that allows us to quickly move on open space land at the speed and with the funds of a land developer. If we can't afford it or the value is not worth it, we must pass. I think the real problem isn't the people selling the farms, or the developers buying the land.. but the hordes of people sitting on the porches of their 1/5 acre lots moaning about the lost open space but not caring enough to do anything about it and "hoping" for the government to handle it. I call people like that useless sheep..... and you deserve Hillary when you get her.

altho I agree with the conceptp of this post... first is not always possible, as country people have nowhere near the $$ as city/urbanites..that's a fact of geographic influence. country folk have land, but no $$ to "play" with the big boy contractors, who's already destroyed tens of thousands of acres for developement, and made millions in the process. this is NOT a question of socialism,quite the opposite...capitalism at its' finest... it's just that in a capitalist society, he who has the Gold, rules.
as for # 2....... EVERYONE'S voice counts... too many fellow vets gave their life to assure that..don't YOU ever forget that.