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AJ52 01-29-2006 01:17 PM

RE: Another PA DEER Article
 
I read it. Interesting.Alot of variables to consider when dealing with tagged Deer/Animals/Prey vs Humans/Hunters/Predators vs XXXX other factors.

I saw a number of variables in this years(private farm)Jan Deer seasons that advesely affected Deer sightings and kills compared to last years Jan seasons.

When you sit down and brain storm all the factors filter them,you then come up with a reasonable hypothesis on WHY that includes some stupid human factors.

I hope all these Penn State Guru's consider many of the variables.

For now it looks like we'll have to wait.

patrkyhntr 01-29-2006 02:27 PM

RE: Another PA DEER Article
 
Having done a bit of research, AJ, I can tell you that it is impossible to eliminate all of the variable factors in ecosystems. In fact, an ecosystem is a huge collection of variables. I suspect that one could find a variable in any ecology based PhD dissertation that was overlooked if one tried hard enough.

Hunters themselves are so variable that the only way to make sense out of data is to collect as much as one can and then establish an average. For example, I suspect I am not a typical hunter. I look for the steepest, roughest, hardest to hunt places. I seldom see any other hunters, even on the first day of rifle season. Now, throw in deer, who individually don't behave the way you expect them to all the time. You can see what a challenge the researchers have, and I think they are to be commended for even trying it.

lost horn 01-29-2006 04:03 PM

RE: Another PA DEER Article
 

ORIGINAL: patrkyhntr

Having done a bit of research, AJ, I can tell you that it is impossible to eliminate all of the variable factors in ecosystems. In fact, an ecosystem is a huge collection of variables. I suspect that one could find a variable in any ecology based PhD dissertation that was overlooked if one tried hard enough.

Hunters themselves are so variable that the only way to make sense out of data is to collect as much as one can and then establish an average. For example, I suspect I am not a typical hunter. I look for the steepest, roughest, hardest to hunt places. I seldom see any other hunters, even on the first day of rifle season. Now, throw in deer, who individually don't behave the way you expect them to all the time. You can see what a challenge the researchers have, and I think they are to be commended for even trying it.
I don't mind them doing the reserch but I don't like the way it gets used aginst the hunters.
patrkyhntr, I have hunted thehills whereyou hunt, but I like the mountains of Cameron Co. I can climb for over 2000ft. walkwhat seems like endless flats and drag my buck 4 or 5 miles. I know lots of hunters that hunt that way in the big woods, I know to you it may seem like you are the only one that hunts like that but you are not. :D

patrkyhntr 01-29-2006 05:06 PM

RE: Another PA DEER Article
 
It just seems that way sometimes, my friend. Welcome to the club. Do you see many hunters where you hunt?

lost horn 01-29-2006 05:33 PM

RE: Another PA DEER Article
 

ORIGINAL: patrkyhntr

It just seems that way sometimes, my friend. Welcome to the club. Do you see many hunters where you hunt?
No I must admit I don't see as many hunters back in as I did years ago, I am not sure why, I know my old buddies are getting too old to go back in and I guess it won't be too long for me to. I think the new generation of hunters watch too many hunting shows on TV where they see the hunters in their tree stands on the edge of the woods and on TV they alwayssee the big bucks. After 48yrs. of tromping back in I sure am going to miss it when I can no longer do it.
You know the best part of our style of hunting is that you did not have to see a deer to have a good hunt. ;)


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