RE: N.Y. Crossbows
 

http://www.conceptarchery.com/concept99.htm

They have several models that have a 99% let off.

RE: N.Y. Crossbows
 

As TJ pointed out the crossbow has distinctive shooting advantages, becasue is does not need to be drawn on its game. Its always cocked and loaded. I don't classify a weapon as archery equipment that is mounted on a gun like stock, and fully cocked, and ready to fire by pushing a trigger. That my friends is a huge advantage over any of todays archery equipment. The gun like technique used to shoot a crossbow makes it a easier weapon to shoot accurately over drawing, anchoring, and releasing a arrow accurately from a compound. I don't see how anyone here can denie that.
Personnally I myself am tired of others calling archery hunters selfish, becasue were simply protecting the archery woods from a superior weapon. We are no different than many other forms of hunting that would protect their sport from other superior means, that aren't ethical to tradition, and harvest means. Noone is stopping any hunter able to shoot a bow from enjoying the archery seasons. The season is there for all to enjoy that are willing to take the time to learn to shoot a bow, and be capable of making aaccurate shot on game. I don't see the need to legalize another weapon, becasue others don't want to take the time to use present day archery equipment. Why dosomefeel we need the crossbow for others to enjoy archery seasons when the opportunity for them exists?I'm not talking about the physically challenged here, see my post on page 4. I myself as a archer invite, encourage anyone to come enjoy the woods with bow, and arrow. Many Hunting clubs, Pro shops, and bowhunting organizations all do the same. We hold archery events to promote our sport. NY Bowhunters has done wonders for this sport, and worked hard for all of us to enjoy it. But yet I've read comments here about them being selfish ,calling archery season as "their" season. Has anyone bothered to mention the good they have done for all of us here. The youth camps, and youth hunts they run promoting our great sport. The physically challenged equipment they have developed for the handicapped, and physically challenged hunts they put on. NYB is the reason the DEC decided to allow our recieved doe mgmt permits to be used during early archery season. But becasue they work to stop a weapon that is not technically a bow, and arrow we call them selfish. Plus every other bowhunter who doesn't want the crossbow in archery season by hunters who are capable of shooting present day bows as also being selfish. I don't feel I'm being selfish, I'm only protecting the archery woods from a superior weapon. The archery woods is open to anyone who wants to enjoy it with a bow, and arrow. Why more don't, but will bash bowhunters for enjoying whats available is beyond me! The opportunities are available for them to enjoy the same as I do.

RE: N.Y. Crossbows
 

O.K. fine, keep the xbow out of archery season. Lets just take the last 2 weeks of october and make it an xbow season. If you choose to use your compound, recurve or longbow during that season that will be o.k. too.

The archery woods? What the heck is that?

RE: N.Y. Crossbows
 

I don't agree that the X-bow is a superior weapon over todays compound.

We have the advantage when it comes to KE and Penetration.

Crossbows are cumbersome and noisy.

Your not shooting any farther with a crossbow.

Superior weapon come on.

I'll be honest I've hunted about 20 years with a bow now. I've never been busted drawing on a deer and I've killed plenty.

Now your putting into the equation bow with let offs up 99%.

I haven't shot my Hoyt for a month and a half and I bet you I could walk out back and put five arrows in the kill at 25 yards.

RE: N.Y. Crossbows
 

Boy if that dont say it all!

That comment is so funny it does not even warrent a intelligent response.

Protecting the archery woods?huh?
Superior weapon?...Please do some research on the subject.

NYB has time and time again proven themselves selfish.Thats a fact.Your president is boarderline foaming at the mouth,attacking the NWTF and others who have promoted crossbow for ANY reason.FACT

You can talk all day,but your above comments prove,canabalism of our hunting is alive and well,by you and others who think"my way is best"

RE: N.Y. Crossbows
 

if a person is unable to pull a bow back then I strongly support crossbows for THEM however I don't think they should be available to everyone during archery season reg . season shot whatever you want

RE: N.Y. Crossbows
 

Thank you John.As you may have seen from my posts in this thread,that is exactly what Ive been trying to promote.Some,including the NYB are so adimatley apposed to crossbows,they view them as non-hunting impliments.With no place in NYS for them.Past emails from the president of NYB cover bases such as "the crossbows companys just want more revenue"<duh>"If we allow handicap hunting with crossbows,it wont stop there" and other nonsensical rants.The "superior weapon theory" is one of the funniest though.It reminds me of the stink put up many years ago when compounds entered the hunting stage.Ive even seen past threatening non-support for the NWTF over this from NYBpres.Sad to say the least.

RE: N.Y. Crossbows
 

everyone was able/capable to shoot shotguns & rifles yet someone had the sense/vision to allow us to be able to hunt with muzzleloaders. now why was that?? I would say extra opportunities for sportmen to get in the field and hunt. sounds good to me. as this does. I personally won't go out and buy one, I have enough to do with bow, rifle, shotgun, and ML. As far as NYB, "they" come across as: "don't think about touchingOUR deer season. there is NO room for anyone else, or anything else inOUR woods." that sounds selfish to me. they made that evident last year with the new proposed season alterations. I personally have no use for "them". I see nothing they have done for my bowhunting experience . but they did, ineffect, reduce my potential ML experience. ( I am happy they are haveing youth shoots, etc- I have never seen one however)

I am using " " because I am not sigling anyone out here, just what I perceive as the NYB position in general.

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Once again I'm being commented on for specific sentences I write w/o fully reading everything I've wrote in this posting. At least thats the only conclusion I can come too with comments users are making on my posts.
Let me try & rephrase or further explain.

I've never wrote I feel the Crossbow is a Superior weapon by means of yardage, energy, and penetration. I've stated I feel its a superior weapon in ways that it doesn't have to be drawn to make a shot, and the factof it being mounted on a gun like stock makes it easier tomaster its shooting abilities over a bow. Even if as some have pointed out you don'tshoot your bow all year, or don't practice for several months, and feel you can go out back and hit your marks first of. It still took you much practice, and time with your setups to get to that point in your abilities. I highly doubt many can pickup a new bow prior to never previously shooting one, and hit bullseyes perfectly, and go out the next day to hunt with it. Yes some may do that, but its not the majority or sensable.The crossbowis designed to shoot accurate with less practice. If it wasn't the case then why would anyone capable of drawing a bow, and shooting accurate with one, choose the crossbow over a bow?
I have been busted drawing my bow, I can think of at least3 circumstances this past fall, that if I had a crossbow over my present bow I'd gotten off a vital shot. If you've never been busted drawing you've been fortunate.
Regardless of what many of you feel about NYB. I see the good, and bad in this organization. I've been with them for several yrs now. I may not agree with everything they do, but I have seen alot of good they've brought this sport. They are the only major NYS bowhunting organization dedicated to bowhunting, period! Yes they were the main push behind doe permits being allowed during archery season, regardless of how funny you think that is. Its a bonus most of us have enjoyed. The NWTF dispute mentioned was brought about over someone hacking into the NWTF NYS chapter presidents computer, and sent a phony e-mail to the NYB president. The NWTF, and NYB have worked together for many yrs on the youth camp programs.
I'll reiderate my feelings once again. I don't feel legalizing the crossbow for archery only seasons is necessary. I don't agree with bringing in that weapon to archery only seasons. I have stated earlier I do feel it could have a place in NYS, perhaps if had its own separate season I would consider one myself. I also feel for the handicapped persons that can no longer use archery equipment. Although there are means available with devices like drawlocks, and applying for a MODIFIED Bow permit to help many in that situation. There are circumstances where the crossbow would best suit them. For those situtations I do feel the DEC needs to lighten up on the qualifications for the Crossbow permit. But I can't begin to understand everyones personnally situation. For this I've never done anything against a Bill regarding the handicapped, and the crossbow. I respect everyones thoughts, and feelings on this topic. I ask you please to respect mine as well.

RE: N.Y. Crossbows
 

"The NWTF dispute mentioned was brought about over someone hacking into the NWTF NYS chapter presidents computer, and sent a phony e-mail to the NYB president."

Thats a crock of ****.Let me introduce myself.I am one ofthe drafteesof theoriginaly introduced handicap crossbow legislation in NYS.I am also a former Catskill-Hudson Valley Handicap Director for...YA READY...TED NUGENT UNITED SPORTMEN OF AMERICA...Ring a bell?it should..your president refered to myself and others as "groupies" at the time.I hold no animosity toward ANY hunting or shooting organization,never did .never will,its a fact on my own site,but denial is bull****!I have the original e-mails,I will not share out of respect for fellow hunters.I am also a 16 year veteran of website development.Give me a break.Backpeddaling only works in person if the other guy is stupid.Im not gonna respond to this any longer because I can see its a dead issue with respect to some.I ask that those who do care fight not only for the rights of the disabled,but also for the rights of hunters.THAT INCLUDES CROSSBOWS!Dont even tell me NYB didnt change its talkback because of crossbow,because IT DID!Yep outright banned folks in favor,no room for arguement,your minds made up...PATHETIC.If you taking credit for doe permits,which is rediculous,you better check what you done to the southern zone fiasco.........