know what people get all upset about killing little deer how about crop mangment when they kill a nice buck or a little deer and just throw it in the back of a truck and thats it atleast the person is taking that deer getting it processed and eating it.. its his choice he killed something he seen.. and i think those little does taste great

For me and in my opinion,
I took alot ot time selcting a bow, doing research on what type of arrow how much it should weigh, what type of broadhead to use, what type of fletching to use, what rest to buy etc

Then I spent hours upon hours trying to figure out how to tune my bow and once I had that figure out, is my form correct?

Then of course there aremany weeks of practicing to shoot an arrow in groups tight enough to consider it acceptable for hunting

I then had to sift through all thedo i need or don't i need scent conntrol clothing, or scent cover sparays or attractants, then which kind for what situation?
What type of clothing should I buy, figure out what is actually necessary and what is BS

So now where do I hunt? I don't own any land. Try and get permission, go on public property.

Spend days and days scouting trying to figure out exactly what deer sign is, what it means.

Figure out what kind of stand to buy and where to put it and how to use it safely

I'm not sure what it's like where you hunt but If I get to see 5 deer all year and 1 of them is a buck I had a banner year.

Maybe you forgot what it's like to be new to this sport but it is a lot to learn. I never knew anyone who hunted when I was growing up. So all of what I learned I had to pick up all of this prior to ever stepping into the woods
So if i do all of thiswith everything I put into being ready to shoot that first arrow and add on top of that the excitement of actually being there and hunting, and a fawn is the first one that actually comeis into my comfortable bow range....It's mine
Will I be proud of it. You betcha!!.

Well Chip, I'll tell you what makes me sick. Someone who would attack another hunter for doing something that is perfectly legal and in the interest of good management in many areas.

You can choose not to shoot fawns if you want to but you dont have a right to demand that everyone else do things your way.

Maybe we should simply ban members who jump in and start with posts that are clearly intended to nothing more thanpi$$ people off. The Peta types just love it when hunters argue among themselves. Is that what your trying to accomplish?

Where I hunt you must shoot an antlerless deer first before being able to harvest a buck. So if a little one comes my way, I won't get sattisfaction out of it but I'm just doing what the state demands. Fortunately there momma is always around.

I agree.
But than again fawn's tend to stick together.

I like that idea! Just what we need is some big mouth telling everyone how they should hunt. No wonder hunters and sportsman have so much trouble with anti's. And to post this crap on a PUBLIC forum. If you want to preach do it privately one on one. Personally I don't shoot the small deer, but I would never tell another hunter not to take an animal that was legal if it make them happy.

Has anyone else here noticed that a select few PA hunters believe that their deer management is the center of the hunting world?

The issues concerning harvesting fawns and proper herd management are clearly outlined in Oz0ga's biologically based report.

Depending on an areas specific carrying capacity it may or may not be biologically advisable to harvest fawns.

The one point that is clear is that personal opinions of one hunter from wmu 4c in PA have no barring on proper deer managment.

Legal and made of meat.

Everyone has their own definition of "trophy". To someit may be an 8 point - even though it is a 1 1/2 old 90 class buck.
You either shoot mature deer (those 4 1/2 or older ) or it doesn't matter.

How many of your 14 bucks were truly mature? How many were 1 1/2 yo coming up to their 1st rut - you know - the only deer dumber than a fawn.
I'm with the "Maybe we should simply ban members who jump in and start with posts that are clearly intended to pi$$ people off." crowd.

I will never look down on another hunters legal success unless they are pounding their chest about the trophy YOUNG 8 pt they took while telling another hunter not to shoot the same age deer with fewer points. That person will hear my opinion.


Steve

In N.J you must shoot an anterless deer before you can shoot a buck for bow, permitbow, permit shotgun , permit muzzleloader and winter bow. That means I shoot 5 (fawns if need be) deer in addition to my bucks each year. I shoot any deer that passes in front of me in order to now legally shoot a buck in each season. If its a fawn, down it goes. Don't care, better than shooting a breeder.It also makes good dog food.Better than the dried stuff.

After spending hundreds of hours with NJ hunters and on NJ hunting websites...I would like to make it clear that the above statement does not reflect on the beliefs of many New Jersey Hunters. In fact the statement is not even correct. There are many parts of the state that do not require harvesting a doe before a buck. There is absolutely no need to harvest unwanted does simple to harvest a buck.

I think yer confusing "fawns" with yearlings.Nothing wrong with harvesting a young animal.Im strictly a "meat" hunter,though I have no problem with a nice rack.Cant eat the antlers,and its iMperitive to leave age emotions out the equation at all times unless restricted by law.We are hunting food,not someones child.

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