Hunting Land - Southern Adirondacks
 

Looking to start a new Hunting Club in the Southern Adirondacks on 300 acres close to Warrensburg, NY. Please send an e-mail to [email protected] for more information. Looking to keep the membership at/around 10, but would like to put together a packagefor a 10 year term.

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what type of membership fee is required? What hunting is available on the land? New to the area and looking to find a place for long term not just a one or two year lease

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Hawk02 -

$5,000 required upfront which guarantees unlimited access to the property for a 10 year term. Not sure how familiar you are with hunting in New York state, butas far as big game hunting, you can findwhitetail deer, turkey and black bearin the area. The property is in the Northern Zone which has the following seasons for 2007, as a reference:

Deer -

Regular:Oct. 20 - Dec. 2
Archery: Sep. 27 - Oct. 19
Muzzleloader: Oct. 13-19

Bear -

Early: Sep. 15.- Oct. 12
Regular: Oct. 20 - Dec. 2
Muzzleloader: Oct. 13-19
Archery: Sep. 27- Oct. 19

Turkey -

Fall: Oct. 1 - Oct. 19
Spring: May 1 - 31

We would probably look to initiate the Club in January 2008. Your comment regarding shorter term is exaclty why we're putting this together. We just got out of a lease that has increased considerably over the last 5 years and we're going to make sure that our costs arefixed going forward. We currently have 5 guys locked up and need to add 5 more. Please feel free to contact me with any other questions you might have.

Thanks,
Kevin

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Forgot to mention that this parcel is also bordered by over 2,000 acres of state land on the Southern and Western boundaries, so plenty of land available.

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Do you guys have access to a cabin or do you camp out? I personally think the price is on the high side for only 300 acres in the Adirondacks where there are thousands of lightly hunted acres of public land one could get hopelessly lost in. Plus the deer densities are way lower up there than other parts of the state.

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There are currently 5 guys that have signed up and we've discussed either building a small cabin at minimal cost with a woodburning stove (we currently have one from our last property) and/or putting a travel trailer on the property. We camped out on our last piece and have no problem with "roughing it" though we should be able to have something much more comfortable up there. Agree there are plenty of pieces of public land, but for us it's worth it to pay $500/year each to have a place where we can put up stands and work on food plots. We feel it's a marginal cost to have this place for 10 years.

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Don't mean to be picking on you here, but you are the second person hunting in NYS in as many days on this forum to mention planting food plots on the land they hunt. As far as I understand the rules in NYS baiting is illegal. Wouldn't a food plot on 300 acres of land with 10 hunters hunting on it be considered baiting? I am no DEC officer or know of anyone personally who does this, but in my mind there would be a mighty fine line here on whether or not it's baiting or not! Maybe DEC officers are looking the other way on things like this, but I surely wouldn't like to be the one having to explain myself to them if I was called on it! Just a thought here, because I know for a fact that DEC officers are not always open minded on technicalities where they could nail you good on!

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No problem and you're free to post your feelings on those matters. I have personally contacted the NYS DEC by phone on three separate occasions and talked about food plots with threedifferent reps. It is illegal to "bait" for deer in NYS, but it is not illegal to organically grow food plots. There's plenty of information online to support this.

http://www.dec.ny.gov/animals/7197.html

If you look at exception #1....it referencees "Agricultural crops INCLUDING WILDLIFE FOOD PLOTS."

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So everyone that hunts near a cornfield is hunting with baiting. I don't see any problem with planting food plots, lots different then throwing out a pile of apples or such and sitting over it.

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Agreed, Johnny - I think the page from the NYS DEC site pretty much spells it out.

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Thanks for the link, however this article doesn't really tell me whether one is allowed to HUNT deer over a food plot. The hunting regulations still state that hunting over bait is illegal. If you have 10 hunters on your 300 acres, and you plant a food plot somewhere in there, I can't really see how technically it wouldn't be considered baiting. Don't get me wrong here, I am not passing judgements on you or anyone else who would hunt over a food plot planted specifically for deer, but I really think the NYS regulations are rather vague on this. I understand fully that hunting over a cornfield can be viewed as a form of baiting also, like someone else mentioned, but most corn is planted for human consumption, or to be used by livestock after harvesting it. There seems to be a difference here, at least in my mind.

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To me a food plot is nothing more than a planted field.

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You are more than entitled to your opinion, but to say that the regulations are vague is misguided:

http://www.dec.ny.gov/animals/7197.html - If you read the link it clearly states:

Part 189 of Title 6 of the Codes, Rules and Regulations of the State of New York was adopted on July 30, 2003. Part of this rule restricts the feeding of deer.

In New York, it is illegal to feed deer by putting out any material that attracts deer to feed.

There are five exceptions to the rule:

1. Agricultural crops including wildlife food plots.

If you choose to interpret that as vague, it's your prerogative, but please don't continue to post that planting food plots is'baiting' because you choose to not understand the regulations. It just causes confusion for other hunters.

If you still do not understand the law, please call the NYSDEC Bureau of Wildlife @ (518) 402-8924 and discuss with them to get some clarity.

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Sorry, but the link you posted is about deer feeding regulations, NOT hunting regulations. It says absolutely nothing about being allowed to SHOOT a deer over one of these food plots. Attracting deer to only look at them or helping them to get some food in the winter is different than attracting them for the purpose of shooting them. Like I said, I am not judging you in any way and don't care if you want to hunt this way, but the link you post doesn't answer the simple question. I searched the web and really can't find out anything else one way or the other about this in our home state, but I will stick with my comment that the rule as it stands is vague until someone can come up with something more definitive.

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My only comment at this point is to contact the DEC at the number I posted previously and they will clarify for you, as they did for me yesterday, that it is legal to hunt overagricultural food plots.

If you feel the wording is vague, might as well talk to the experts!

Good Luck.

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i think steve is just being a prick now lol. but it is funny as hell to read.

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Up to him to post what he wants, but I just want to make sure people get accurate informationfrom the DEC site. Baiting vs. Food Plots is a sensitive issue, but think everyone should have access to the actual regulations.

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In another 7 or 8 years when you legally become an adult we could maybe discuss your comments further, until then I choose not to.

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Steve,
Are you serious? Did you read exception #1? I think it's self explanatory. Yes/No? Maybe I'm reading it wrong