A little SAK for you.
03-02-2002, 09:33 AM
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A little SAK for you.
<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote<font size=1 face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>SAK CALCULATIONS FOR YEAR 1999, UNIT 63A DEER RANGE 295 OVERWINTER GOAL 30
AVG. YRLNG. BUCK PERCENT (AYBP) 75 - AVG. YRLNG. DOE PERCENT (AYDP) 44
IF THIS UNIT IS IN THE NORTHERN OR CENTRAL FOREST F
RATIOS ARE CALCULATED
FOR THE UNIT GROUPS AND ENTERED AS A CONSTANT FOR EACH UNIT.
IF THIS UNIT IS IN ONE OF THE AG. RANGES, THE F RATIO IS 120 FAWNS : 100 DOES
IF THE AYDP IS >= 40 OR 110 FAWNS : 100 DOES IF THE AYDP IS < 40.
FAWNOE RATIO (FD) = OBS. FAWNS : OBS. DOES = 120 FAWNS : 100 DOES
ADULT SEX RATIO (ASR) = (AYBP/110)/(AYDP/100) = 1.5
FAWN:BUCK (FB) = FD * ASR = 1.86
EXPANSION FACTOR (EF) = 1 + ASR + FB = 4.4
HARVEST MORTALITY = AYBP * BRR = 75.0 * 0.86 = 0.65
BUCK POPULATION = BUCK KILL / HARVEST MORTALITY = 3050 / 0.65 = 4729
TOTAL POPULATION = BUCK POPULATION * EF = 20849
PRE BOW SEASON DENSITY 71
HARVEST + UNRECOVERED LOSS IN BOW SEASON 2313
PRE GUN SEASON POPULATION 18537
PRE GUN SEASON DENSITY 63
HARVEST + UNRECOVERED LOSS IN GUN SEASON 7292
POST GUN SEASON POPULATION 11244
POST GUN SEASON DENSITY 38
**** OUTPUT FROM PROGRAM SAKCALC **** 02/19/01
SAK CALCULATIONS FOR YEAR 2000, UNIT 63A DEER RANGE 295 OVERWINTER GOAL 30
AVG. YRLNG. BUCK PERCENT (AYBP) 73 - AVG. YRLNG. DOE PERCENT (AYDP) 45
IF THIS UNIT IS IN THE NORTHERN OR CENTRAL FOREST F RATIOS ARE CALCULATED
FOR THE UNIT GROUPS AND ENTERED AS A CONSTANT FOR EACH UNIT.
IF THIS UNIT IS IN ONE OF THE AG. RANGES, THE F RATIO IS 120 FAWNS : 100 DOES
IF THE AYDP IS >= 40 OR 110 FAWNS : 100 DOES IF THE AYDP IS < 40.
FAWNOE RATIO (FD) = OBS. FAWNS : OBS. DOES = 120 FAWNS : 100 DOES
ADULT SEX RATIO (ASR) = (AYBP/110)/(AYDP/100) = 1.5
FAWN:BUCK (FB) = FD * ASR = 1.77
EXPANSION FACTOR (EF) = 1 + ASR + FB = 4.2
HARVEST MORTALITY = AYBP * BRR = 73.0 * 0.85 = 0.62
BUCK POPULATION = BUCK KILL / HARVEST MORTALITY = 3893 / 0.62 = 6274
TOTAL POPULATION = BUCK POPULATION * EF = 26630
PRE BOW SEASON DENSITY 90
HARVEST + UNRECOVERED LOSS IN BOW SEASON 1968
PRE GUN SEASON POPULATION 24662
PRE GUN SEASON DENSITY 84
HARVEST + UNRECOVERED LOSS IN GUN SEASON 6475
POST GUN SEASON POPULATION 18187
POST GUN SEASON DENSITY 62
<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' size=2 id=quote>Heres a little example of DNR math. Notice the population after the deer hunt in 99 is 38 deer per square mile of deer range. Now after the fawns are born and the prehunt numbers are calculated, it increases to 90 per sq. mile before the 2000 hunt. The deer expansion rate in the midwest is 70% but here we have 136%. Now either bucks can now give birth to fawns or this formula is off.
AVG. YRLNG. BUCK PERCENT (AYBP) 75 - AVG. YRLNG. DOE PERCENT (AYDP) 44
IF THIS UNIT IS IN THE NORTHERN OR CENTRAL FOREST F
RATIOS ARE CALCULATEDFOR THE UNIT GROUPS AND ENTERED AS A CONSTANT FOR EACH UNIT.
IF THIS UNIT IS IN ONE OF THE AG. RANGES, THE F
RATIO IS 120 FAWNS : 100 DOESIF THE AYDP IS >= 40 OR 110 FAWNS : 100 DOES IF THE AYDP IS < 40.
FAWN
OE RATIO (FD) = OBS. FAWNS : OBS. DOES = 120 FAWNS : 100 DOESADULT SEX RATIO (ASR) = (AYBP/110)/(AYDP/100) = 1.5
FAWN:BUCK (FB) = FD * ASR = 1.86
EXPANSION FACTOR (EF) = 1 + ASR + FB = 4.4
HARVEST MORTALITY = AYBP * BRR = 75.0 * 0.86 = 0.65
BUCK POPULATION = BUCK KILL / HARVEST MORTALITY = 3050 / 0.65 = 4729
TOTAL POPULATION = BUCK POPULATION * EF = 20849
PRE BOW SEASON DENSITY 71
HARVEST + UNRECOVERED LOSS IN BOW SEASON 2313
PRE GUN SEASON POPULATION 18537
PRE GUN SEASON DENSITY 63
HARVEST + UNRECOVERED LOSS IN GUN SEASON 7292
POST GUN SEASON POPULATION 11244
POST GUN SEASON DENSITY 38
**** OUTPUT FROM PROGRAM SAKCALC **** 02/19/01
SAK CALCULATIONS FOR YEAR 2000, UNIT 63A DEER RANGE 295 OVERWINTER GOAL 30
AVG. YRLNG. BUCK PERCENT (AYBP) 73 - AVG. YRLNG. DOE PERCENT (AYDP) 45
IF THIS UNIT IS IN THE NORTHERN OR CENTRAL FOREST F
RATIOS ARE CALCULATEDFOR THE UNIT GROUPS AND ENTERED AS A CONSTANT FOR EACH UNIT.
IF THIS UNIT IS IN ONE OF THE AG. RANGES, THE F
RATIO IS 120 FAWNS : 100 DOESIF THE AYDP IS >= 40 OR 110 FAWNS : 100 DOES IF THE AYDP IS < 40.
FAWN
OE RATIO (FD) = OBS. FAWNS : OBS. DOES = 120 FAWNS : 100 DOESADULT SEX RATIO (ASR) = (AYBP/110)/(AYDP/100) = 1.5
FAWN:BUCK (FB) = FD * ASR = 1.77
EXPANSION FACTOR (EF) = 1 + ASR + FB = 4.2
HARVEST MORTALITY = AYBP * BRR = 73.0 * 0.85 = 0.62
BUCK POPULATION = BUCK KILL / HARVEST MORTALITY = 3893 / 0.62 = 6274
TOTAL POPULATION = BUCK POPULATION * EF = 26630
PRE BOW SEASON DENSITY 90
HARVEST + UNRECOVERED LOSS IN BOW SEASON 1968
PRE GUN SEASON POPULATION 24662
PRE GUN SEASON DENSITY 84
HARVEST + UNRECOVERED LOSS IN GUN SEASON 6475
POST GUN SEASON POPULATION 18187
POST GUN SEASON DENSITY 62
<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' size=2 id=quote>Heres a little example of DNR math. Notice the population after the deer hunt in 99 is 38 deer per square mile of deer range. Now after the fawns are born and the prehunt numbers are calculated, it increases to 90 per sq. mile before the 2000 hunt. The deer expansion rate in the midwest is 70% but here we have 136%. Now either bucks can now give birth to fawns or this formula is off.
03-04-2002, 10:23 AM
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Fork Horn
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Sussex WI
Posts: 381
RE: A little SAK for you.
Hey, last year I saw 2 different sets of triplets, but never any quads.
Must be a mad scientist out there cloning deer to get that extra one!
BTW, where did all the defenders of what a great job the DNR does go to?
Must be a mad scientist out there cloning deer to get that extra one!
BTW, where did all the defenders of what a great job the DNR does go to?
03-04-2002, 02:39 PM
#8
Spike
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Stevens Point WI USA
Posts: 75
RE: A little SAK for you.
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wdhc: apparently you and I must be the only two who find this amazing. How long do you figure it would take to undo this massive brainwashing?
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Oh, I find it interesting, but what do you want everyone to do? Jump on your bandwagon? I'm also interested in what the WDHC has to say, but when I asked for an explanation of certain numbers provided on their stat sheet in this forum, my question went unnoticed. Why should I join an organization that can't take a minute to answer a question?
While some of the DNR's antics do raise eyebrows, the WDHC has yet to show me they are the "righter of wrongs". I had not heard of the WDHC until recently. Forgive me if I'd like to find out more about them before joining.
Simply because I don't gather around your soapbox doesn't mean I'm brainwashed! Sheesh!
wdhc: apparently you and I must be the only two who find this amazing. How long do you figure it would take to undo this massive brainwashing?
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Oh, I find it interesting, but what do you want everyone to do? Jump on your bandwagon? I'm also interested in what the WDHC has to say, but when I asked for an explanation of certain numbers provided on their stat sheet in this forum, my question went unnoticed. Why should I join an organization that can't take a minute to answer a question?
While some of the DNR's antics do raise eyebrows, the WDHC has yet to show me they are the "righter of wrongs". I had not heard of the WDHC until recently. Forgive me if I'd like to find out more about them before joining.
Simply because I don't gather around your soapbox doesn't mean I'm brainwashed! Sheesh!
03-04-2002, 04:54 PM
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RE: A little SAK for you.
<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote<font size=1 face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>I'm also interested in what the WDHC has to say, but when I asked for an explanation of certain numbers provided on their stat sheet in this forum, my question went unnoticed. Why should I join an organization that can't take a minute to answer a question?
<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' size=2 id=quote>G&B: Have you tried sending them your question in an email? Click the email link above their post. I started this thread, not WDHC. Up until I made the post you quoted, no one voiced an opinion either way. Except for WDHC. "Soapbox", "bandwagon", "sheesh"? What part of, I want your opinion on the above calculation did you miss?
<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' size=2 id=quote>G&B: Have you tried sending them your question in an email? Click the email link above their post. I started this thread, not WDHC. Up until I made the post you quoted, no one voiced an opinion either way. Except for WDHC. "Soapbox", "bandwagon", "sheesh"? What part of, I want your opinion on the above calculation did you miss?
03-04-2002, 05:49 PM
#10
Spike
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Stevens Point WI USA
Posts: 75
RE: A little SAK for you.
Actually, nub, I thought you posted the chart about the yearly kills during the brown years in a thread several weeks ago. WDHC also provided their link with the same chart in that thread. I figured one of you would respond to the question I presented. It doesn't matter anymore.
The soapbox remark refers to all the comments and threads you have made questioning the DNR within the past months. And unless I'm mistaken, you seem to be a staunch supporter of the WDHC and their ideals.
I respect your opinion, but the term "brainwashed" has appeared a lot recently in your reponses as well as others. Simply because I choose not to tell the DNR to kiss my ... and I choose not to give up my gun hunting privileges does not make me brainwashed.
Maybe your more vocal and emotional about the subject. That's cool! But this has turned into more than a discussion. Seems more like a witch hunt.
The soapbox remark refers to all the comments and threads you have made questioning the DNR within the past months. And unless I'm mistaken, you seem to be a staunch supporter of the WDHC and their ideals.
I respect your opinion, but the term "brainwashed" has appeared a lot recently in your reponses as well as others. Simply because I choose not to tell the DNR to kiss my ... and I choose not to give up my gun hunting privileges does not make me brainwashed.
Maybe your more vocal and emotional about the subject. That's cool! But this has turned into more than a discussion. Seems more like a witch hunt.