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DNR can kiss my..........

Gun tag goodbye. Now before anyone goes spewing forth the "T Zones have been cut in half" , I DON'T CARE. They do not have a clue how many deer out there and it is obvious by some of the DMUs they have as T zones next fall. Its not going to bother me me one bit to give up my measley 2 days I gun hunt.

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quotequote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote> Successful antlerless hunt cuts number of zone t units nearly in half for 2002 hunt
MADISON -- Wisconsin deer hunters' efforts to reduce the number of antlerless whitetail deer have resulted in a significant reduction in the number of deer management units likely to fall into the Zone T hunt in 2002 to 45 units, down from 76 in 2001 and 86 in 2000.

"The great efforts hunters made to take antlerless deer during the 2001 Zone T hunts and during the regular seasons resulted in the number of deer management units that meet the criteria for Zone T dropping nearly in half," said Bill Mytton, DNR deer and bear ecologist. "Wisconsin deer hunters have helped us meet our population management goals in many deer management units. In this way, we are able to address issues of deer damage to agriculture and forestry as well as the high car/deer accident rates experienced in some parts of the state.

"I'd like to thank hunters for responding to the need for this kind of selective hunting and for taking on the role of wildlife managers through their hunting practices.

"The primary purpose of the Zone T seasons is to provide additional hunting opportunity, focusing on antlerless deer, at different calendar times of the year. Hopefully, these extra seasons even out the hunting pressure and the effect of things like unusual hunting conditions. Suggestions of moving to a 16-day season and eliminating the Zone T hunts would offer some help in reducing antlerless deer numbers, but experience in other states like Pennsylvania and Michigan, which have longer seasons, show that those states have still needed additional seasons to meet their antlerless quotas."

Hunters and wildlife watchers across the state can attend meetings in their area this week that will detail their local deer herd status following the 2001 hunt including the likelihood of a local deer management units (DMU) being in or out of the 2002 Zone T hunt. Check the DNR Web site for a list of meetings. Zone T unit designation for the 2002 hunt will be discussed by the Natural Resources Board in a future meeting.

2002 Zone T Units include the following DMUs: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 8, 9, 11, 12, 13, 14, 19, 20, 27, 28, 29A, 34, 35, 36, 47, 49B, 51A, 51B, 54C, 59D, 61, 62B, 63A, 63B, 65B, 66, 67A, 67B, 68A, 70A, 70E, 72, 74A, 75C, 75D, 78, 80A, 80B, 81

Wildlife managers do caution, however, that whitetail population swings could put a unit back into the Zone T hunt in future years.
<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>Mytton is an idiot. First he says we are unsuccessful due to the weather (don't make me bring the weather thread back up front) then he says it was a success and would personnaly like to thank us.
This whole article is such a re-run it makes me sick. They can keep my $20.00 gun tag and listen to my griping for the rest of the year.

Edited by - drache on 02/21/2002 13:53:34

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THANK YOU drache.<img src=icon_smile_approve.gif border=0 align=middle>

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This is the end of a "Wisconsin Outdoor News" article called "Planning for 2002 deer seasons begins"

By Dean Bortz

....Between Feb. 18 and Feb. 21, the DNR will crank out preliminary population estimates by state, region, and unit. That’s followed by a conference call among wildlife managers to discuss numbers.
At about the same time, beginning Feb. 19 this year, the DNR meets with the public on deer unit reviews (see State Roundup on page 2).
In early March, biologists meet to set regional antlerless quota recommendations. Those quotas will determine how many antlerless tags will be available in each unit.
In mid-March, the DNR resolves quotas on a statewide basis. Sometimes there are questions in units that overlap the DNR regions, or researchers and wildlife managers may have disagreements to settle. “This is where we would have a strong feeling on which units might be considered for Zone T seasons, but we also continue to monitor winter,” Bahti said.
On March 15, those projections hit the fifth floor of the DNR central office in Madison, where they are reviewed by DNR secretary Darrell Bazzell.
By March 18, it’s expected that Bazzell will be ready to release the final season framework, as recommended by the DNR.
This year, the Natural Resources Board meets March 27. It was at the March meeting that the NRB used to give its approval to the framework, including Zone T units. Because of DNR administrative code changes for 2002, the NRB no longer gives its approval on Zone T units, but it is expected the DNR will run the Zone T list past the board.
In late April, the DNR makes any final adjustments based on winter severity.
In early May, usually the first week, hunting regulations and Zone T maps go to the printer. Final Zone T units and antlerless permit levels have to be known at that point.
This year, Bahti said he expects the DNR to have its final SAK numbers by Feb. 18 or Feb. 19.

http://www.wisconsinoutdoornews.com/...ubID=8278&EC=0

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You can find the date and location of meetings for your DMU in here.

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quotequote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote> Statewide Deer Management Unit
review public meetings start in February

MADISON – The public will have an opportunity to discuss
preliminary results of the 2001 deer hunt and the deer
population status of Deer Management Units (DMUs) at local
public information meetings scheduled across the state.

Department of Natural Resources wildlife managers will
discuss preliminary deer harvest results by DMU, proposed
antlerless quotas for the units, and any changes in the amount
of land designated as deer range in management units.
Meetings may have an initial informational presentation
followed by a question and answer session or may be open
house style, depending on location.

"We won’t have last season’s harvest numbers finalized by
the time of these meetings, but the information the field
biologists have will be pretty close," said Bill Mytton, DNR
deer and bear ecologist. "From that, we’ll have a pretty good
picture as to what the antlerless quotas will be and whether or
not a management unit fits the criteria for being recommended
to the Natural Resources Board as a Zone-T unit in 2002."

This past year, the Natural Resources Board took action to
make the Zone T designation process more efficient. The
board gave department deer managers the authority to
recommend units for Zone T without holding additional public
meetings in those units and define the selection criteria. The
board approved placing a unit in the Zone-T hunt if the unit is
20 percent or more above the established population goal for
the unit and a regular season hunt is unlikely to bring the unit
to within 20 percent of the goal.

Wisconsin is divided into 132 deer management units that
allow DNR wildlife biologists to better manage the state’s
deer population based on the amount and types of habitat and
other conditions relevant to that geographic area.

These are informational meetings to hear from anyone
interested in the deer management process and the past
year’s deer hunt according to Kurt Thiede, hunting rules and
regulations specialist at DNR. They’re not part of the
population goal setting process, which is on a three-year cycle.

FOR MORE INFORMATION CONTACT: Dave Evenson,
Northern Region - (715) 822-5421 ext. 114; Tom Bahti,
Northeast Region - (920) 492-5827; Tami Ryan, Southeast
Region - (414) 263-8710; Alan Crossley, South Central Region
- (608) 275-3242; or Mike Gappa, West Central Region -
(715) 839-3774

DNR Deer Management Unit Review Informational Meetings

Meetings have been set by either Deer Management Unit, or by
county. A DMU map is available on the DNR Web site in portable
document format that requires Adobe Acrobat Reader. For more
information contact Brad Koele, Assistant Deer Ecologist at (608)
261-7589.

February 19

DMUs 41, 44, 45, 49A, 49B, 50, 51A, 51B, 63B - 7 p.m.,
Pound Town Hall, N2854 Belgium Rd. just east of
Coleman off CTH B

DMUs 53, 56 - 6-8 p.m., Sandhill Skills Center, 1715
County Highway X, Babcock

DMU 68B - 6:30 p.m., DNR Service Center, Horicon,
N7725 Hwy. 28.

Bayfield County - 7 p.m., Iron River Community Center

Iron County - 6:30 p.m., Iron County Courthouse,
Hurley

February 20

DMUs 47, 51B, 62B, 63A, 63B, 65B - 4-8 p.m.,
Clintonville Community Center- Room 103.

DMUs 57C, 62A - 6-8:30 p.m., Portage County
Courthouse Annex, Conference Room 1- Stevens Point

DMUs 75C, 75D - 7-8:30 p.m., RFS Center, 18298
Highway D (Just north of intersection at Hwy. G and
Fayette) Fayette

DMUs 77B, 77C, 77M - 7-9 p.m., Park View Middle
School, Mukwonago

DMUs 80A, 80B, 80C, 81 - 4-8 p.m., Door County
Courthouse- General Meeting Rm. A150, Sturgeon Bay

Burnett County - 5:30 p.m., Burnett County Government
Center, Room 165, Siren

Taylor County - 7-9 p.m., Taylor County Multipurpose
Building, Medford

February 21

DMUs 22A, 59B, 61 - 2-6 p.m., Dunn County Fish and
Game building, Menomonie

DMUs 53, 54A, 54B, 54C, 56 - 7-9 p.m., Mauston City
Hall- Community Room

DMUs 64, 64M - 4-8 p.m., Reedsville Sportsman's
Club, Reedsville

Ashland County - 6:30-9 p.m., Mellen Rod and Gun
Club, Mellen

Douglas County - 6-8 p.m., Superior Public Library

Washburn County - 5:30-8:30 p.m., UW-Extension
Agricultural Research Station Auditorium, Spooner

February 25

DMUs 55, 59C - 7 p.m., Hixton American Legion
building

DMU 77A - 2:30- 8 p.m., DNR Janesville Service
Center, 2514 Morse St., Janesville

Barron & Polk counties - 7: p.m., Turtle Lake High
School

Forest County - 7 p.m., Crandon High School
auditorium, Hwy. 8 West

Rusk County - 7: p.m., Ladysmith High School cafeteria

February 26

DMUs 33,46,57,57A, 57D - 6-8 p.m., Wausau Library

DMUs 66, 68A - 6-8 p.m., Ripon Public Library-Ground
Floor Meeting Room

DMUs 27, 57B, 58 - 7 p.m., Greenwood Elementary
School

DMUs 70B, 70E, 70G - 3-7 p.m., Carl Fredrick County
Administration Building, 400 DeWitt St., Portage

Vilas & Oneida counties - 7 p.m., Oneida County Airport
Terminal, Extension Meeting Room, Rhinelander

February 27

DMUs 21, 22A, 59B, 60A, 60B, 60M - 7 p.m., St. Croix
County Agricultural Service Center, 1960 8th Ave.,
Baldwin

DMU 61 - 7:30 p.m., Buffalo County Courthouse, Alma

DMUs 65A, 65B, 67A, 67B - 4-8 p.m., Neshkoro Grade
School- cafeteria/community room

DMUs 70, 70A, 71, 73B, 73D, 73E - 3-8 p.m., (Open
House format with formal presentations at 4 and 6 p.m.)
Arthur's Supper Club, E4885 Hwys. 14 and 23, Spring
Green

DMU 75A - 7-8:30 p.m., Pleasant View Annex
Auditorium, N3150 Hwy. 81, Monroe

DMUs 76, 76M - 6-9 p.m., DNR South Central Region
Headquarters, 3911 Fish Hatchery Road, Fitchburg

DMU 76A - 6-8 p.m., Lake Mills Community Center,
200 Water St., Lake Mills

Lincoln County - 6 p.m., Lincoln County Sports Club at
W5071 Schultz Spur Road off Hwy. K between Merrill
and Tomahawk

Price County - 7-9 p.m., Park Falls High School
Auditorium

Sawyer County - 7-9 p.m., Hayward High School
Auditorium

February 28

DMUs 59D, 59M, 71, 72, 74A, 74B - 3-8 p.m., Bekkum
Memorial Library, Westby Community Room

DMUs 69, 77M - 7-9 p.m., Ice Age Center, Dundee

Eau Claire and Chippewa counties - 7 p.m., DNR West
Central Regional Headquarters, Eau Claire

Langlade County - 6:30 p.m., Langlade County
Fairground-Clover Room.

March 5

Florence County - 7 p.m., Florence Natural Resources
Center, Hwys. 70 and 8/141, Florence

Natural Resources Board Meetings

FEBRUARY 26-27 – State Natural Resources Board will meet in Room 027 of the State Natural Resources Building, (GEF 2) 101 S. Webster St., Madison regarding matters concerning natural resource issues or Department of Natural Resources program responsibilities or operations specified in the Wisconsin Statutes. People who wish to appear to speak to the board during the citizen participation period must register to appear by calling (608) 267-7420 by 4 p.m. the Friday prior to board meetings. For information, contact Linda Jahns
(608) 267-7420.

<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>I really like this statement from Mytton. <BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>"We won’t have last season’s harvest numbers finalized by
the time of these meetings, but the information the field
biologists have will be pretty close," said Bill Mytton, DNR
deer and bear ecologist. "From that, we’ll have a pretty good
picture as to what the antlerless quotas will be and whether or
not a management unit fits the criteria for being recommended
to the Natural Resources Board as a Zone-T unit in 2002." <hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>

Compare this statement to Mytton's most recent. <BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote> "We won’t have last season’s harvest numbers finalized by
the time of these meetings, but the information the field
biologists have will be pretty close," said Bill Mytton, DNR
deer and bear ecologist. "From that, we’ll have a pretty good
picture as to what the antlerless quotas will be and whether or
not a management unit fits the criteria for being recommended
to the Natural Resources Board as a Zone-T unit in 2002."

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Edited by - nub on 02/21/2002 14:24:04

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What all this means is, if you don't like it there is a forum for us to voice our opinions before they finalize the T Zones. Even if your DMU is not listed for a T Zone for this fall above, THAT CAN CHANGE. Attend the meeting in your area and speak out one way or another while you can. Its not to late.

drache: If your watching, I tried to delete one of the double quotes above but I can't see it in editing. The post is too long for the window.

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Gee! You mean the DNR is trying to manipulate facts to cover up their own bureaucratic failings?? Well, knock me over with a feather!

BTW, to all of you who kept telling us what a wonderful job these dropouts from the DMV do...

Wisconsin Outdoor News, Feb 11th

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quotequote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>Bureau of Wildlife director Tom Hauge opened the hearing by saying the DNR's 2001 estimate was off a bit. Before the 2001 season, the statewide herd was estimated at 1.65 million. Using sex, age,l and kill numbers (part of the Sex-Age-Kill formula) after the season, biologist came up with an estimate of 1.53 million.<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>
Now let me see if I got this right: the DNR, which has insisted that the SAK method is the Golden Rule of deer population measurement, actually admitted that they were off? And the admission...though still way off...is that they overestimated the population by something like 9%? (BTW, before all of you defenders of these Tom Ament clones start chiming in that 9% is such a small variance, let me remind you that such a difference is equal to TWICE the amount of deer harvested during the 2000 T-zone hunts!)

Hmmm! Maybe we have some progress! Now if they would just admit that they are full of crap on the 40-some T-zones that they insist we still need, then we can say we have some progress.

BTW, never did get a response on my letter to Mr. Mytton regarding his seeming difficulty in reconciling the low deer harvest this year with his faulty contention about other "brown" seasons having similar results. Of course, I'm sure he and his buddies are busy convering their a$$es over the fact that they now KNOW they are WAY off in thier deer estimates.

Edited by - TJD on 02/24/2002 00:16:05

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A miss by as little as a fraction of a percent can make a big difference in their totals.

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It's not that I or anyone else is expecting perfection. Nor is it that any method is perfect. The problem is more attitudinal than anything. This year the gun harvest is more than 30% lower than in 2000, and the DNR says, "It was all due to the warm weather and lack of snow". Then Bill Mytton says that this is like previous "brown" seasons. But when confronted with the fact that the last such season, 1990, was one that had a record harvest, we hear nothing in response. Why? If we could set a record in the previous recent "brown" season, what happened in 2001? Could it be that the DNR just can't bring themselves to admit that they were wrong??

Now we are given a message that in essence says, "Hey! All is well. Now we have fewer t-zones than in the last two years."

Myself, if I can get off of work and make it there, I plan on being the biggest pain in the a$$ the DNR has ever seen at their hearing in Unit 61. I've had it. So far, there are at least a half dozen people I know who live there who plan on attending who feel the same way. This trend of continuing to manage deer without being able to demonstrate factually why they take the steps they take has to end...now!!

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What's very interesting is the fact that after last season, we have almost the same number of deer left yet we only have 40-45 tzone units. It seems to me that we should have about the same number as last year unless the deet migrated to those units. I would like to hear this explanation......?