Illinois Resident Deer Hunters
10-01-2009, 02:19 PM
#11
Typical Buck
Join Date: Feb 2003
Posts: 575
Go here and take the survey...
http://dnr.state.il.us/nrab/cc.htm
It addresses all things you talked about here... and possible ways to change it.
http://dnr.state.il.us/nrab/cc.htm
It addresses all things you talked about here... and possible ways to change it.
Last edited by Kid; 10-01-2009 at 02:21 PM.
10-01-2009, 06:54 PM
#12
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Deer Country
Posts: 2,244
It wont be longer guys...outfitters have ruined the "golden triangle" area. There total disreguard to herd management by not shooting Doe's has caused the gene pool to suffer. It's a fact that growing deer over 150" is becoming more and more difficult in this famed region. I agree that if you can afford to hunt anywhere, that should be your right, it's not the out of state hunters I have a problem with, it's the outfitters way of running that pisses me off.
On a side not, IDNR has totally dropped the ball by the "honor system" for checking deer, I dont even want to begin to think about the number of deer killed by hunters who dont tag there deer. We need to go back to having check stations.
There is private land to hunt, you just have to be willing to knock on 100 doors to find that 1.
On a side not, IDNR has totally dropped the ball by the "honor system" for checking deer, I dont even want to begin to think about the number of deer killed by hunters who dont tag there deer. We need to go back to having check stations.
There is private land to hunt, you just have to be willing to knock on 100 doors to find that 1.
10-02-2009, 05:38 PM
#13
Fork Horn
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Lansing, Illinois
Posts: 396
I understand how you guys feel. I live in Georgia and about 15 years ago Florida hunters started coming up here and leasing GA land. They came because of the high price of hunting in Florida due to all the development there. Our lease prices went from a couple dollars/acre to 15 or 20 dollars/acre. Many Georgia hunters could not pay it, some refused to pay it, and others hunted on public or family land. Florida hunters were not looked upon favorably but they were just doing what they had to do to continue their hunting heritage.
I hunt in Illinois along with several friends and I assure you that we are not wealthy. These guys have jobs and families and bills just like you do. They start saving in January to be able to afford one 5 day hunt in your state. Because of the economy this year, several who planned to come will not be able to. We drive 13 hours each way to be able to experience what some of you might take for granted, the opportunity to hunt where there are truly magnificent whitetails.
I don't have a solution to your problem. Some different approaches have been mentioned above. Just try not to look so negatively at the guys with the out of state tags. They are a lot more like you than you think.
And thats all I have to say about that.
I hunt in Illinois along with several friends and I assure you that we are not wealthy. These guys have jobs and families and bills just like you do. They start saving in January to be able to afford one 5 day hunt in your state. Because of the economy this year, several who planned to come will not be able to. We drive 13 hours each way to be able to experience what some of you might take for granted, the opportunity to hunt where there are truly magnificent whitetails.
I don't have a solution to your problem. Some different approaches have been mentioned above. Just try not to look so negatively at the guys with the out of state tags. They are a lot more like you than you think.
And thats all I have to say about that.
Not until last year did I start having bad experience with out of staters.. These 14 guys from Maryland and West Virginia leased 1000 acres surrounding the property in which I hunt.. Where do you think they had put up a stand??? 60 yards from my permanent stand which had been in that spot for the past 10 years.. and they knew it was there cause they had mentioned that when they were walking their properties they had seen it... Talk about infuriating... Then on top of it they are shooting 130" bucks, while all the time prior, they talked about how they are into QDMA.....what a load of B.S....
10-02-2009, 06:30 PM
#14
Spike
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Georgia
Posts: 46
I understand where you are coming from, but my experience's have been bad.. I started hunting in Pike county when I was 14 (22 years ago), I used to be able to hunt pretty much anywhere I wanted as long as I had asked permission. Then came the publicity from T.V. and that was the end.... At 26 I had enough and made a move for the better..
Not until last year did I start having bad experience with out of staters.. These 14 guys from Maryland and West Virginia leased 1000 acres surrounding the property in which I hunt.. Where do you think they had put up a stand??? 60 yards from my permanent stand which had been in that spot for the past 10 years.. and they knew it was there cause they had mentioned that when they were walking their properties they had seen it... Talk about infuriating... Then on top of it they are shooting 130" bucks, while all the time prior, they talked about how they are into QDMA.....what a load of B.S....
Not until last year did I start having bad experience with out of staters.. These 14 guys from Maryland and West Virginia leased 1000 acres surrounding the property in which I hunt.. Where do you think they had put up a stand??? 60 yards from my permanent stand which had been in that spot for the past 10 years.. and they knew it was there cause they had mentioned that when they were walking their properties they had seen it... Talk about infuriating... Then on top of it they are shooting 130" bucks, while all the time prior, they talked about how they are into QDMA.....what a load of B.S....
I have a new lease this year. Several weeks ago while hanging stands I found a ladder stand across the line fence on our lease. The adjoining property is owned by a local and hunted by his son and a few of his friends. The line is obvious and they know where it is.
Sorry for the problems you're having, but it can work both ways. If you were hunting next to my lease, you would have a totally different experience.
10-02-2009, 08:47 PM
#15
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: central Illinois
Posts: 1,872
I understand where you are coming from, but my experience's have been bad.. I started hunting in Pike county when I was 14 (22 years ago), I used to be able to hunt pretty much anywhere I wanted as long as I had asked permission. Then came the publicity from T.V. and that was the end.... At 26 I had enough and made a move for the better..
Not until last year did I start having bad experience with out of staters.. These 14 guys from Maryland and West Virginia leased 1000 acres surrounding the property in which I hunt.. Where do you think they had put up a stand??? 60 yards from my permanent stand which had been in that spot for the past 10 years.. and they knew it was there cause they had mentioned that when they were walking their properties they had seen it... Talk about infuriating... Then on top of it they are shooting 130" bucks, while all the time prior, they talked about how they are into QDMA.....what a load of B.S....
Not until last year did I start having bad experience with out of staters.. These 14 guys from Maryland and West Virginia leased 1000 acres surrounding the property in which I hunt.. Where do you think they had put up a stand??? 60 yards from my permanent stand which had been in that spot for the past 10 years.. and they knew it was there cause they had mentioned that when they were walking their properties they had seen it... Talk about infuriating... Then on top of it they are shooting 130" bucks, while all the time prior, they talked about how they are into QDMA.....what a load of B.S....
But I do understand your frustration. Heck I feel it myself.
Bit that is the way it has become and honestly I do not see it getting better. Perhaps the poor economy will slow it down a little
10-02-2009, 08:52 PM
#16
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: central Illinois
Posts: 1,872
It wont be longer guys...outfitters have ruined the "golden triangle" area. There total disreguard to herd management by not shooting Doe's has caused the gene pool to suffer. It's a fact that growing deer over 150" is becoming more and more difficult in this famed region. I agree that if you can afford to hunt anywhere, that should be your right, it's not the out of state hunters I have a problem with, it's the outfitters way of running that pisses me off.
On a side not, IDNR has totally dropped the ball by the "honor system" for checking deer, I dont even want to begin to think about the number of deer killed by hunters who dont tag there deer. We need to go back to having check stations.
There is private land to hunt, you just have to be willing to knock on 100 doors to find that 1.
On a side not, IDNR has totally dropped the ball by the "honor system" for checking deer, I dont even want to begin to think about the number of deer killed by hunters who dont tag there deer. We need to go back to having check stations.
There is private land to hunt, you just have to be willing to knock on 100 doors to find that 1.
I agree with what you are saying about maybe ruining the Golden triangle and fewer large bucks.---To remedy this many outfitters began moving east into Morgan Macoupin and Greene counties.
10-04-2009, 08:07 AM
#17
Fork Horn
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Lansing, Illinois
Posts: 396
I should have mentioned another thing that those guys from out east did, but I forgot because as I was typing I was getting myself worked up....
This was the other thing which really bothered me, they have been down here for 1 year prior to last, and know where we hunt. They went to a neighboring farm where have permision to hunt and tried to lease it from underneath us... That was pretty shi!!y...
This was the other thing which really bothered me, they have been down here for 1 year prior to last, and know where we hunt. They went to a neighboring farm where have permision to hunt and tried to lease it from underneath us... That was pretty shi!!y...
10-05-2009, 07:00 AM
#18
Boone & Crockett
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Southwest Ohio
Posts: 10,277
Kid,
That's why i said you need to shop around in Illinois for land. In the area where I own land in southeastern Illinois, I know of a couple tracts of hunting land that have sold for 1000 to 1500 an acre in the last few months because of the recession. I paid 1650 an acre for some so-so hunting ground back when the real estate prices had pretty much peaked. Have hard of plenty of other pieces of very good hunting ground selling for 1650 to 1850 an acre recently. People are not knocking on your door trying to sell it, so yes it does take some effort to shop around and find something.
That's why i said you need to shop around in Illinois for land. In the area where I own land in southeastern Illinois, I know of a couple tracts of hunting land that have sold for 1000 to 1500 an acre in the last few months because of the recession. I paid 1650 an acre for some so-so hunting ground back when the real estate prices had pretty much peaked. Have hard of plenty of other pieces of very good hunting ground selling for 1650 to 1850 an acre recently. People are not knocking on your door trying to sell it, so yes it does take some effort to shop around and find something.
10-05-2009, 08:11 AM
#19
Super Moderator
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Southeast Central Illinois USA
Posts: 6,969
Forget about the IDNR being able to do anything, they have little control these days and little funding. The state can't or won't even afford to pay for a few more conservation officers. Where I am located one or two game wardens must cover 3-4 counties.
You must also remember that Farm Bureau and many state legislators pushed for the increasing amount of NR permits.
You must also remember that Farm Bureau and many state legislators pushed for the increasing amount of NR permits.
10-12-2009, 09:40 PM
#20
Typical Buck
Join Date: Feb 2003
Posts: 575
Kid,
That's why i said you need to shop around in Illinois for land. In the area where I own land in southeastern Illinois, I know of a couple tracts of hunting land that have sold for 1000 to 1500 an acre in the last few months because of the recession. I paid 1650 an acre for some so-so hunting ground back when the real estate prices had pretty much peaked. Have hard of plenty of other pieces of very good hunting ground selling for 1650 to 1850 an acre recently. People are not knocking on your door trying to sell it, so yes it does take some effort to shop around and find something.
That's why i said you need to shop around in Illinois for land. In the area where I own land in southeastern Illinois, I know of a couple tracts of hunting land that have sold for 1000 to 1500 an acre in the last few months because of the recession. I paid 1650 an acre for some so-so hunting ground back when the real estate prices had pretty much peaked. Have hard of plenty of other pieces of very good hunting ground selling for 1650 to 1850 an acre recently. People are not knocking on your door trying to sell it, so yes it does take some effort to shop around and find something.
