Missouri MDC continues to push against hunters!
10-27-2008, 06:53 PM
#1
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Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Camden County, Missouri
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Missouri MDC continues to push against hunters!
The Missouri Department of Conservation continues its Socialistic form of mismanagement!
http://mdc.mo.gov/news/action/2008/20080929.htm
http://mdc.mo.gov/news/action/2008/20080929.htm
10-28-2008, 12:36 PM
#3
Typical Buck
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Shawnee, KS
Posts: 774
RE: Missouri MDC continues to push against hunters!
I'm about fed up with the MDC raising the price of non-resident deer and turkey hunting by astronomical proportions every year, $175 to $225 my @ss[:@][:@][:@]. I'm about 2 seconds from never stepping foot in MO to hunt deer or turkey ever again (the only reason I do is my fam owns land there).
10-28-2008, 01:08 PM
#4
Boone & Crockett
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Southwest Ohio
Posts: 10,277
RE: Missouri MDC continues to push against hunters!
It can always get worse. I would have to pay over 400 bucks for an NR permit to bow hunt my own land in Illinois. Throw in NR firearm permits for deer and turkey and it would be up around 1000 bucks.
I would think that would be more capitalistic since they are exploiting a market, but no matter what it is no fun if you are on the paying end of it.
I would think that would be more capitalistic since they are exploiting a market, but no matter what it is no fun if you are on the paying end of it.
10-28-2008, 01:38 PM
#5
Typical Buck
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Shawnee, KS
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RE: Missouri MDC continues to push against hunters!
Check out this post I left on the MDC comments website:
"Dear Sir or Ma'am:
Let me start off by telling you that I am a native Missourian that now lives in Kansas. I grew up in Missouri, joined the service (U.S. Army) and after my enlistment was over, came back to Missouri to attend college at the University of Missouri-Rolla (now Missouri S&T). I currently work in Missouri and pay income taxes in Missouri (not to mention paying a 1% Kansas City, Missouri TIF tax) but due to the proximity of my work and the fact my wife attends school at the University of Kansas, I now live in Kansas. I am also an avid hunter and am fortunate enough that my extended family owns land in Northeastern MO (near Atlanta). It was quite a sticker shock to see my deer and turkey hunting tags go from $15 to $150, then to $175 and I actually had to give up hunting turkey in MO all together due to this expense. I now see that the MDC is making it's steepest price hike on deer hunting tags yet (from $175 to $225) AND have eliminated discount pricing for non-resident landowners for deer and turkey permits. Now, I understand that the states of Missouri and Kansas (not to mention Iowa and Illinois) are having a price war with each other by charging exorbinate rates for non-resident deer and turkey permits (at least 10X the rate of non-residents) but this is getting out of hand and the only people that are losing are hunters. We have a problem in this country with not enough people passing on the tradition of hunting to the next generation and we are losing hunters faster than we can replace them. This form of price gouging not only excludes lower and middle-class income families from hunting in their neighbooring states and passing on the rich tradition of hunting but will start to hurt the small town economies that rely on out-of-state hunters to patronize their establishments during the hunting season. I hope the MDC and the conservation departments of Kansas, Iowa and Illinois see that these continual price hikes only serve a near-sighted goal of bolstering your tax coffers at the expense of alienating hunters that live in neighbooring states. I would love to teach my children to hunt on the land that they may one day inherit, but at the current rate that the permits are being raised, I probably won't be able to afford it.
Regards,
Sean Garrison "
It probably won't due any good and I'll probably get some lipservice email but sending it made me feel better. I guess I should start looking for deer and turkey hunting spots in Kansas [&:].
"Dear Sir or Ma'am:
Let me start off by telling you that I am a native Missourian that now lives in Kansas. I grew up in Missouri, joined the service (U.S. Army) and after my enlistment was over, came back to Missouri to attend college at the University of Missouri-Rolla (now Missouri S&T). I currently work in Missouri and pay income taxes in Missouri (not to mention paying a 1% Kansas City, Missouri TIF tax) but due to the proximity of my work and the fact my wife attends school at the University of Kansas, I now live in Kansas. I am also an avid hunter and am fortunate enough that my extended family owns land in Northeastern MO (near Atlanta). It was quite a sticker shock to see my deer and turkey hunting tags go from $15 to $150, then to $175 and I actually had to give up hunting turkey in MO all together due to this expense. I now see that the MDC is making it's steepest price hike on deer hunting tags yet (from $175 to $225) AND have eliminated discount pricing for non-resident landowners for deer and turkey permits. Now, I understand that the states of Missouri and Kansas (not to mention Iowa and Illinois) are having a price war with each other by charging exorbinate rates for non-resident deer and turkey permits (at least 10X the rate of non-residents) but this is getting out of hand and the only people that are losing are hunters. We have a problem in this country with not enough people passing on the tradition of hunting to the next generation and we are losing hunters faster than we can replace them. This form of price gouging not only excludes lower and middle-class income families from hunting in their neighbooring states and passing on the rich tradition of hunting but will start to hurt the small town economies that rely on out-of-state hunters to patronize their establishments during the hunting season. I hope the MDC and the conservation departments of Kansas, Iowa and Illinois see that these continual price hikes only serve a near-sighted goal of bolstering your tax coffers at the expense of alienating hunters that live in neighbooring states. I would love to teach my children to hunt on the land that they may one day inherit, but at the current rate that the permits are being raised, I probably won't be able to afford it.
Regards,
Sean Garrison "
It probably won't due any good and I'll probably get some lipservice email but sending it made me feel better. I guess I should start looking for deer and turkey hunting spots in Kansas [&:].
10-28-2008, 01:41 PM
#6
Boone & Crockett
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Southwest Ohio
Posts: 10,277
RE: Missouri MDC continues to push against hunters!
You might consider contacting the local state legislator as well as starting a local petition to try to reform things. I have considered trying to do something like that in Illinois.
10-28-2008, 04:07 PM
#7
Typical Buck
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Shawnee, KS
Posts: 774
RE: Missouri MDC continues to push against hunters!
Here is the reply I recieved from the MDC ombudsman:
"Thank you for taking the time to express your views on this matter.
It is always distressing to hear that changes in regulations or permit prices will diminish an individual's opportunity to pass on the hunting tradition as they had planned. You are correct that the scale of our nonresident deer permit increase was influenced by the prices charged Missouri residents to hunt in neighboring states. The elimination of the nonresident landowner reduced-price permits was similarly influenced. Both changes were also prompted by a series of public meetings with Missouri deer hunters who sent a strong message that they did not like nonresident hunters getting favored treatment here.
Additional information on the upcoming changes and the reasons behind them can be found at:
http://www.mdc.mo.gov/regs/permitfaq.htm
Changes to permit pricing and associated issues, as approved by the Conservation Commission, were filed with the Missouri Secretary of State on October 10, 2008. These changes will be published in the November 17 edition of the Missouri Register, at which time a 30-day public comment period commences. After the 30-day public comment period, all comments will be compiled and sent to the Conservation Commission for their information and consideration. At such time, the Conservation Commission may decide to rescind, alter or continue with changes as previously approved.
We will include your e-mailed comments with others that are received during the official public comment period."
I may have to be very vocal during the 30-day public comment period. These state price wars have to stop. The only people getting hurt are the hunters that can't afford to hunt across state lines. It's funny because I just saw a show the other day on Iowa deer hunting and the head of the Iowa DNR was complaining that not enough deer were being taken from their herd.
"Thank you for taking the time to express your views on this matter.
It is always distressing to hear that changes in regulations or permit prices will diminish an individual's opportunity to pass on the hunting tradition as they had planned. You are correct that the scale of our nonresident deer permit increase was influenced by the prices charged Missouri residents to hunt in neighboring states. The elimination of the nonresident landowner reduced-price permits was similarly influenced. Both changes were also prompted by a series of public meetings with Missouri deer hunters who sent a strong message that they did not like nonresident hunters getting favored treatment here.
Additional information on the upcoming changes and the reasons behind them can be found at:
http://www.mdc.mo.gov/regs/permitfaq.htm
Changes to permit pricing and associated issues, as approved by the Conservation Commission, were filed with the Missouri Secretary of State on October 10, 2008. These changes will be published in the November 17 edition of the Missouri Register, at which time a 30-day public comment period commences. After the 30-day public comment period, all comments will be compiled and sent to the Conservation Commission for their information and consideration. At such time, the Conservation Commission may decide to rescind, alter or continue with changes as previously approved.
We will include your e-mailed comments with others that are received during the official public comment period."
I may have to be very vocal during the 30-day public comment period. These state price wars have to stop. The only people getting hurt are the hunters that can't afford to hunt across state lines. It's funny because I just saw a show the other day on Iowa deer hunting and the head of the Iowa DNR was complaining that not enough deer were being taken from their herd.
10-28-2008, 06:12 PM
#8
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Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Camden County, Missouri
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RE: Missouri MDC continues to push against hunters!
Recent changes moving landowner permits from 5 acres to 80 is punishinglandowners and attempts at a socialistic form of governing conservation. You reward the wealthy with 80+ acres and punish small less fortunatelandowners. Less animals will be harvested and more landowners like myself will now not permit anyone else to hunt my land until you take that away from me too! I spent alot of money to buy land for one reason was thebenifits it gave me. What else do you have in the works to screwlandowners!
Thank you for taking the time to express your views on this matter.
The new minimum acreage for no-cost deer and turkey permits is just one part of more than a year-long effort to take a comprehensive look at our whole permit system. In the past, our funding grew each year, but today it is not keeping pace with the cost of doing business. Sales tax revenues are expected to drop or remain flat as the economy slows. The majority of hunters and anglers are baby boomers and, as those people are aging and reducing their outdoor recreation, permit sales revenue are decreasing. With decreasing permit sales, Missouri also receives less federal aid that is tied to number of permits sold. A portion of the permit changes were designed to allow us to continue to receive our share of the federal aid reimbursement.
While no one likes to pay higher prices for anything, we have to look at maintaining the revenue needed to continue to provide good resource management. Many different options were considered in the permit restructuring. We hope you'll understand that this wasn't done to get extra funding—it was a choice to just keep an even, solid funding base in light of declining hunter numbers and increasingly small land ownerships so we can maintain services at the level people expect. I hope this helps explain why these changes were needed.
Additional information on the upcoming changes and the reasons behind them can be found at:
http://www.mdc.mo.gov/regs/permitfaq.htm
Changes to permit pricing and associated issues, as approved by the Conservation Commission, were filed with the Missouri Secretary of State on October 10, 2008. These changes will be published in the November 17 edition of the Missouri Register, at which time a 30-day public comment period commences. After the 30-day public comment period, all comments will be compiled and sent to the Conservation Commission for their information and consideration. At such time, the Conservation Commission may decide to rescind, alter or continue with changes as previously approved.
We will include your e-mail comments with others that are received during the official public comment period.
Thank you for taking the time to express your views on this matter.
The new minimum acreage for no-cost deer and turkey permits is just one part of more than a year-long effort to take a comprehensive look at our whole permit system. In the past, our funding grew each year, but today it is not keeping pace with the cost of doing business. Sales tax revenues are expected to drop or remain flat as the economy slows. The majority of hunters and anglers are baby boomers and, as those people are aging and reducing their outdoor recreation, permit sales revenue are decreasing. With decreasing permit sales, Missouri also receives less federal aid that is tied to number of permits sold. A portion of the permit changes were designed to allow us to continue to receive our share of the federal aid reimbursement.
While no one likes to pay higher prices for anything, we have to look at maintaining the revenue needed to continue to provide good resource management. Many different options were considered in the permit restructuring. We hope you'll understand that this wasn't done to get extra funding—it was a choice to just keep an even, solid funding base in light of declining hunter numbers and increasingly small land ownerships so we can maintain services at the level people expect. I hope this helps explain why these changes were needed.
Additional information on the upcoming changes and the reasons behind them can be found at:
http://www.mdc.mo.gov/regs/permitfaq.htm
Changes to permit pricing and associated issues, as approved by the Conservation Commission, were filed with the Missouri Secretary of State on October 10, 2008. These changes will be published in the November 17 edition of the Missouri Register, at which time a 30-day public comment period commences. After the 30-day public comment period, all comments will be compiled and sent to the Conservation Commission for their information and consideration. At such time, the Conservation Commission may decide to rescind, alter or continue with changes as previously approved.
We will include your e-mail comments with others that are received during the official public comment period.
10-28-2008, 09:14 PM
#9
Typical Buck
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Shawnee, KS
Posts: 774
RE: Missouri MDC continues to push against hunters!
ORIGINAL: TimberCreek
Thank you for taking the time to express your views on this matter.
The new minimum acreage for no-cost deer and turkey permits is just one part of more than a year-long effort to take a comprehensive look at our whole permit system. In the past, our funding grew each year, but today it is not keeping pace with the cost of doing business. Sales tax revenues are expected to drop or remain flat as the economy slows. The majority of hunters and anglers are baby boomers and, as those people are aging and reducing their outdoor recreation, permit sales revenue are decreasing. With decreasing permit sales, Missouri also receives less federal aid that is tied to number of permits sold. A portion of the permit changes were designed to allow us to continue to receive our share of the federal aid reimbursement.
While no one likes to pay higher prices for anything, we have to look at maintaining the revenue needed to continue to provide good resource management. Many different options were considered in the permit restructuring. We hope you'll understand that this wasn't done to get extra funding—it was a choice to just keep an even, solid funding base in light of declining hunter numbers and increasingly small land ownerships so we can maintain services at the level people expect. I hope this helps explain why these changes were needed.
Additional information on the upcoming changes and the reasons behind them can be found at:
http://www.mdc.mo.gov/regs/permitfaq.htm
Changes to permit pricing and associated issues, as approved by the Conservation Commission, were filed with the Missouri Secretary of State on October 10, 2008. These changes will be published in the November 17 edition of the Missouri Register, at which time a 30-day public comment period commences. After the 30-day public comment period, all comments will be compiled and sent to the Conservation Commission for their information and consideration. At such time, the Conservation Commission may decide to rescind, alter or continue with changes as previously approved.
We will include your e-mail comments with others that are received during the official public comment period.
Thank you for taking the time to express your views on this matter.
The new minimum acreage for no-cost deer and turkey permits is just one part of more than a year-long effort to take a comprehensive look at our whole permit system. In the past, our funding grew each year, but today it is not keeping pace with the cost of doing business. Sales tax revenues are expected to drop or remain flat as the economy slows. The majority of hunters and anglers are baby boomers and, as those people are aging and reducing their outdoor recreation, permit sales revenue are decreasing. With decreasing permit sales, Missouri also receives less federal aid that is tied to number of permits sold. A portion of the permit changes were designed to allow us to continue to receive our share of the federal aid reimbursement.
While no one likes to pay higher prices for anything, we have to look at maintaining the revenue needed to continue to provide good resource management. Many different options were considered in the permit restructuring. We hope you'll understand that this wasn't done to get extra funding—it was a choice to just keep an even, solid funding base in light of declining hunter numbers and increasingly small land ownerships so we can maintain services at the level people expect. I hope this helps explain why these changes were needed.
Additional information on the upcoming changes and the reasons behind them can be found at:
http://www.mdc.mo.gov/regs/permitfaq.htm
Changes to permit pricing and associated issues, as approved by the Conservation Commission, were filed with the Missouri Secretary of State on October 10, 2008. These changes will be published in the November 17 edition of the Missouri Register, at which time a 30-day public comment period commences. After the 30-day public comment period, all comments will be compiled and sent to the Conservation Commission for their information and consideration. At such time, the Conservation Commission may decide to rescind, alter or continue with changes as previously approved.
We will include your e-mail comments with others that are received during the official public comment period.
10-29-2008, 01:14 PM
#10
Typical Buck
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Southeast Missouri
Posts: 968
RE: Missouri MDC continues to push against hunters!
I'm a missouri resident and I can tell you I'm not too happy with the changes made to the minimum acreage requirements for landowner permits. With all that said, I'm curious as to what it would cost me to hunt as a non resident in Kansas. I'm one who doesn't like the fact that it would cost me 300-400 dollars to hunt Illinois while they are allowed to hunt here for 175, or even 225. I've always been in foavor of charging non resident hunters whatever price they would charge me to hunt in thier home state. I just think that's fair and equitable.
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