Illinois Rally
 

ATTENTION - YOUR ACTION REQUIRED

1. Senate Bill 1195 - the Daley Gun Grab and Confiscation plan may come up for a vote by the full Senate this week.

2. If this bill passes, it will result in the forced confiscation and destruction of most of the guns you own including rifles, pistols, shotguns, and muzzleloaders.

3. The Illinois State Rifle Association is holding a Freedom Rally and Lobby Day on Thursday, March 20, 2003 to fight SB 1195.

4. The location of the Freedom Rally and Lobby Day will be at the Illinois Capitol Building, Springfield, IL.

5. Everyone is asked to meet at 9:00 AM in the Stratton Building Cafeteria which is right across the street from the Capitol. Signs won' t be allowed in the building so don' t bring any. Folks are asked to dress sharp and be prepared to politely make your position clear - NO GUN BANS!

6. If you care about the future of your gun rights, you should attend the Freedom Rally.

7. For further information, visit the ISRA Web Site at http://www.isra.org

8. Or you may call (815) 635-3198

9. Please pass this information along to all your friends and associates..

10. Please post this announcement to any and all Internet Bulletin Boards to which you belong.

GOD BLESS AMERICA...AND GOD BLESS FREEDOM LOVING AMERICANS
REMEMBER...GUN CONTROL IS A DISEASE...AND YOU ARE THE CURE

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Was this a product of Mayor Daley in Chicago?



Thanks
Peak
Live and Learn

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I sent Dan Rutherford an email expressing my concerns and he replied saying he was going to shoot it down. Just hope the others do the same.

I sent an email to the Govenor too, but I doubt he will respond.

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Have you actually read the bill, yet? Not that I agree with it, but...

It would not ban sporting shotguns, rifles, or muzzleloaders. It is going after assault weapons. Here is the section which explains what is NOT included:

Quote:

11 " Semiautomatic assault weapon" does not include:
12 (A) any firearm that:
13 (i) is manually operated by bolt, pump, lever
14 or slide action;
15 (ii) is an " unserviceable firearm" or has been
16 made permanently inoperable; or
17 (iii) is an antique firearm; or
18 (B) any semiautomatic rifle that cannot accept a
19 detachable magazine that holds more than 5 rounds of
20 ammunition; or
21 (C) any semiautomatic shotgun that cannot hold more
22 than 5 rounds of ammunition in a fixed or detachable
23 magazine.
24 (2)(A) " Large capacity ammunition feeding device" means:
25 (i) a magazine, belt, drum, feed strip, or
26 similar device that has a capacity of, or that can
27 be readily restored or converted to accept, more
28 than 10 rounds of ammunition; or
29 (ii) any combination of parts from which a
30 device described in subparagraph (i) can be
31 assembled.
32 (B) " Large capacity ammunition feeding device" does
33 not include an attached tubular device designed to
34 accept, and capable of operating only with, .22 caliber

-4- LRB093 10905 LRD 11424 b
1 rimfire ammunition or any device that has been made
2 permanently inoperable.
3 (3) " Assault weapon attachment" means any device capable
4 of being attached to a firearm that is specifically designed
5 for making or converting a firearm into any of the firearms
6 listed in paragraph (1) of subsection (b) of this Section.
7 (4) " Antique firearm" means:
8 (A) any firearm, including any firearm with a
9 matchlock, flintlock, percussion cap, or similar type of
10 ignition system, manufactured in or before 1898, or
11 (B) any replica of any firearm described in
12 subparagraph (A) if the replica:
13 (i) is not designed or redesigned for using
14 rimfire or conventional centerfire fixed ammunition;
15 or
16 (ii) uses rimfire or conventional centerfire
17 ammunition that is no longer manufactured in the
18 United States and that is not readily available in
19 the ordinary channels of commercial trade; or
20 (C) any firearm (other than a machine gun), which,
21 although designed as a weapon, the Department of State
22 Police finds by reason of the date of its manufacture,
23 value, design, and other characteristics is primarily a
24 collector' s item and is not likely to be used as a
25 weapon.
**End quote.**

This is one thing that ticks me off about the nra. They are just as guilty as the antis as not telling the whole truth, but just the parts they want to about issues.

The only " sporting" type rifle that would be affected is the AR-15 which is used by varmint hunters.

Like I said before, I don' t necessarily agree with the bill, but it is not what the nra is making it out to be.

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I CONTACTED MY SEN/REP CANT HURT ANY
HASTERT RESPONDED SAYIN HE WAS INTERESTED IN HEARING OUR CONCERN
THE OTHERS HAVENT.
BUT I DO FIND THIS LAST POST MOST INTERESTING

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I understand what you are saying sven. I don' t think the intention is what many people think. I heard a guy in Walmart last night telling the guy that works the sporting goods counter that they wouldn' t be able to sell any more guns if it passed. Cause this guys thinks that it will eliminate all guns, including .22 Caliber rifles. I just smiled and shook my head at him. Boy did he give me a dirty look.

But if this bill goes through, it is the first step in taking away the rest of our guns!

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sven I think you need to read that bill alittle closer if i understand it correctly any shot gun that holds 5 rounds or less is safe unless they can be made or fitted with a mag tube extension that makes them capable of holding more. Now how many shotguns out there can be fitted with mag. tube extentions. As far as rifles go most that exept a box type mag. including hunting rifles like rem semi-autos and pumps have 10 round mags. available. this bill is worded so it doesn' t sound to bad but if you read closely and think about exactly what it says you will see that most firearms fall under these restrictions for one reason or another. I wonder how the DNR is going to feel about me huntin turkeys with a .410.
Even if it starts here and they win this one do you think Govener Dailey is going to stop there. It will be nice to know that we will have the already spread thin law enforcment agencys to protect us from all the gangs chicago is shipping down state to bloomington and peoria. I know I' ll feel safer with out my guns ;);)

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I dont even live up there and can see that this an attack on the second amendment.

FYI.......People do hunt with AR' s!!!

You think they' re going to stop at this? Next time it will be Rem 1100 maybe Sp 1187' s or the semi auto rifles. BRowning A5s or BAR' s

When will you wake up and smell the crap getting shoved down your throat.

You gonna blame the NRA when it passes Sven???

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The news peice i saw last night said it will be up for vote in the senate in a couple of weeks unless they can sneak it thru sooner. every elected official I' ve contacted opposes this bill but mayor dailey' s puppets will keep trying.
NEWS FLASH SB 1195 passes big gun sale on Chicago' s south side all down staters welcome to unload their newly banned firearms maybe we can give out the sponsoring senators address with each sale[>:]

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That would be incorrect. The bill states:

It doesn' t say, " or that can be made to hold..." . Basically, leave the mag tube alone and it' s not included. Put an extended tube on it and it meets the definition of " assault weapon" .


As a side note, contrary to what the ISRA says, pump shotguns and muzzleloaders are NOT included...

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Mike, I agree with Sven here. I also agree with you in the respect that this is nothing short of a gun-grab foot in the door. Personally, I would like to see both the NRA and the ISRA stick to the facts and stop making them up as they go along. It makes their credibility worth poop.

JRW

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JRW i understand what your saying but you need to read the fine print on this bill very closely and as far as mis information goes somtimes you need to rattle the cages abit to get action had they (nre & isra) this bill is a gun grab with out a doubt but it' s not that bad as portreyed in your posts how may people do you think would pull their heads out of the sand to take this stand and fight for our rights your focusing on shotguns what about rifles the way it sounds my ruger 10/22 would be outlawed because it' s not a tube mag. and it will accept the 30 round mags. i have for it. some people choose to fire military style weopons just because they like to and they do hunt with them. These confiscations would be with out compensation. if they want my guns so bad they can pay the price i set on them and then do what ever they want with them then I will just go and buy more.
As far as misinformation goes I had not heard of this bill till it was almost to late the scum who fathered this bill keeps it quiet hoping no one will notice till it' s to late They don' t want the people to know what they are doing till we can' t rally in defense of our rights and once it' s passed then it' s really to late

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Hey guys, I' m just stating the facts. I' m a member of the NRA, but that doesn' t mean I have to agree with some of there tactics. As I said in my original post, I don' t like the fact the the state, err Chicago, is trying to tell us law abiding citizens what guns we can and cannot own, but this bill does not mean the end of hunting as the NRA is claiming.

I' m glad the NRA is willing to lobby to fight this bill, but I would appreciate it if they wouldn' t use lies to garner attention to it. Aren' t the true facts enough to scare people? As it is, this bill will negatively affect the states economy by forcing gun manufacturers to cease producing the banned firearms, intern cutting jobs. The fact that this bill lays the ground work for future actions is also very disturbing.

Telling lies to garner support for your actions is stooping to the level of the antis.

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sven & jrw you make good points but you also need to remember who would be interpriting these bills.
go to the isra web site there are more out there right now than this and some are just as bad but there are also afew good gun bills out there.
The NRA is great but they don' t put forth the effort on the state levellike they should (my opinion) but the isra is a state of ILL only outfit and that' s where they do the work check out thier site it' s www.isra.org I grew up with the pres. he' s always be pretty straight up if you really want to take a stand that will make a difference hook up with them

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Wow, Hoss....I knew you were old, but dang. Richie is an old timer;)[:o]

I will agree with hoss on this one. I also know the president personally. We live in the same town of about 1300 people. He has always given straight answers when I have talked to him. He was even at the Deer & Turkey Classic handing out pamphlets about our govenor. Some of you may have seen him there. His office for the ISRA is on main street of my gigantic town and my neighbor works for him. Contact him with any questions, and if you don' t hear from him....let me know. I will personally go and ask him why he didn' t respond!

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bowman I' m not that old remember it' s the milage not the age