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Old 01-26-2007 | 05:35 AM
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I was on the Colts message board and some people are just dellusional. They keep spouting how much improved the Indy run stop has been since the return of Bob Sanders, but the stats do not indicate that at all. They gave up 4.1 YPC in the regular season and in the last 2 playoff games gave up...............4.1 YPC. Benson & Jones are averaging............4.1 YPC. The only difference is Indy's opponents only tried to run the ball 20 & 24 times compared to the Bears 34 & 46.

Go figure.

Bears will be bringing a steady diet of Benson/Jones and Turner will not give up on the run like Balt. & NE.

Should be a good game hinging in turnovers.

Im sure my friends at colts.com would be glad to know they are delusional now

You are a little off however. To suggest that Indys run defense has not improved is wrong. In the reg season they gave up over 5 YPC, not 4.1. In fact, they were one of the worst in the history of the league in that area. In the playoffs they are at 3.6 YPC which is actually better then Chicagos. Teams arent running as much on them becuase they arent having success,especially on first down. Larry Johnson couldnt do it and Jamal Lewis couldnt do it. NE did have better luck but still nothing like the reg season.

I look for Indy to bring an extra guy in the box( probably Bob Sanders), and bring another defensive back up closer to the LOS versus the Bears. It will be similar to how we played the Ravens and Chiefs. Stop the run first and then tee off on the QB. It will ultimately come down to Grossman making plays, just like it did in the KC and Baltimore game. Chicagos offense is not the Patriots offense, Grossman certainly isnt Brady so i dont think Indy has as much to look for versus them. Grossman didnt play well a few weeks back becuase "it was new years eve" as he said, so i can only imagine what the Superbowl will do to him.
The regular season stat is I think the 2nd half of the season. However, I am definitely not off on the playoff stat. I said the last 2 games, not all the playoffs. The Chiefs suck and backed into the playoffs. That average is exactly 4.1, which is nothing spectacular. That is what Benson & Jones average. I don't see the matchup resulting in less than 4.1 yards per carry. Nothing leads me to believe this.


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Old 01-26-2007 | 12:39 PM
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I was on the Colts message board and some people are just dellusional. They keep spouting how much improved the Indy run stop has been since the return of Bob Sanders, but the stats do not indicate that at all. They gave up 4.1 YPC in the regular season and in the last 2 playoff games gave up...............4.1 YPC. Benson & Jones are averaging............4.1 YPC. The only difference is Indy's opponents only tried to run the ball 20 & 24 times compared to the Bears 34 & 46.

Go figure.

Bears will be bringing a steady diet of Benson/Jones and Turner will not give up on the run like Balt. & NE.

Should be a good game hinging in turnovers.

Im sure my friends at colts.com would be glad to know they are delusional now

You are a little off however. To suggest that Indys run defense has not improved is wrong. In the reg season they gave up over 5 YPC, not 4.1. In fact, they were one of the worst in the history of the league in that area. In the playoffs they are at 3.6 YPC which is actually better then Chicagos. Teams arent running as much on them becuase they arent having success,especially on first down. Larry Johnson couldnt do it and Jamal Lewis couldnt do it. NE did have better luck but still nothing like the reg season.

I look for Indy to bring an extra guy in the box( probably Bob Sanders), and bring another defensive back up closer to the LOS versus the Bears. It will be similar to how we played the Ravens and Chiefs. Stop the run first and then tee off on the QB. It will ultimately come down to Grossman making plays, just like it did in the KC and Baltimore game. Chicagos offense is not the Patriots offense, Grossman certainly isnt Brady so i dont think Indy has as much to look for versus them. Grossman didnt play well a few weeks back becuase "it was new years eve" as he said, so i can only imagine what the Superbowl will do to him.
The regular season stat is I think the 2nd half of the season. However, I am definitely not off on the playoff stat. I said the last 2 games, not all the playoffs. The Chiefs suck and backed into the playoffs. That average is exactly 4.1, which is nothing spectacular. That is what Benson & Jones average. I don't see the matchup resulting in less than 4.1 yards per carry. Nothing leads me to believe this.

The Cheifs sucked enough to make the playoffs in the AFC and almost win Larry Johnson a rushing title. Im not saying they were a great team by any means, but if they were so bad and Larry Johnson was so easy to hold under 40 yards rushing, why didnt more teams do it? All i heard in the media leading up to that game was he was gonna rip off 300 yards on them. I heard the same crap about Jamal Lewis and i heard the same stuff about Maroney and Dillon. The Colts havent gave up a 100 yard rushing game at all in the playoffs. Average it up however you want, teams have not got it done by running the football. Again, the attempts have been low becuase they arent having success. They may get a nice run on a 3rd and long draw play which helps there average, but in the grand scheme of the game it hasnt had any impact. The Colts have been winning 1st and second down and it's putting teams into passing downs and thats where Freeney and Mathis come into play. Im not gonna disagree with you that Chicagos RB's may average 4.1 YPC, but if there only carrying the ball 15 times it wont do them any good. If the Bears arent having success on the early downs, those attempts will be low. I can say with a great deal of certainty that the Colts will put this game into Grossmans hands. There gonna concentrate on shutting the run down and will likely do a decent job of it. The only way they get out of that gameplan is if Rex starts making plays through the air. If he does this, the running game will be a factor, if not, it wont.
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Old 01-26-2007 | 01:46 PM
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I'm from Illinois and I will be cheering on the Colts to a victory. I don't like anything about Chicago, including the bears.The Colts run defense has improved dramatically. I believe this game will come down to quarterback play and its a little hard for me to believe that Grossman has what it takes to out perform Peyton.
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Old 01-26-2007 | 07:10 PM
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I think the game should go into 5 overtimes that way they can have even More Good Commercials !!
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Old 01-27-2007 | 11:15 AM
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I watched the entire New England game. Even when the Pats were up 21-3 they made no committment to the run! What were they thinkin? Every team's stats get skewed by runs on 3rd & long. Nothing unusual about that. Chicago has a great offensive line & the best blocking tight ends in the NFL, not just the NFC. That is why they don't rack up high receiving yards.

None of this will matter though because turnovers & special teams are what will dictate this game.So far in the playoffs both teams are equal, Colts+2, Bears +3. If only one team steps to the plate here they will win. I am really curious to see how Hester does on kick returns. He could break one but he can also bobblem pretty good.
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Old 01-27-2007 | 05:10 PM
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I don't really care who wins. My Steelers were pitiful this year. I'll put my money on the Colts though.
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Old 01-28-2007 | 12:55 PM
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I watched the entire New England game. Even when the Pats were up 21-3 they made no committment to the run! What were they thinkin?
Thats becuase at 21-3, the Colts ran something like the next 35 plays or something like that. From the end of the 2nd quarter clear up until midway of the 3rd. They had cut the lead to 8 without NE ever touching the football. Then when NE tried to run, the Colts line did much better at limiting them on early downs. The mistake teams have made in the playoffs is believing they will run all over Indy, so they have stuck with it on early downs even though it hasnt been working and then they fall behind. Im convinced that KC had absolutely no B plan on offense, they felt like they would run it down our throats. There wideouts had no catches that day. I would say that teams sticking with the run too much too early has actually helped this Indy defense. Im still not sure why nobody has came out, spread them out, and passed on them from the opening kick. Pittsburgh did that last year and was up 14-0 at the end of the 1st qtr. If someone would loosen them up through the air, the running game would open up.
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Old 01-28-2007 | 04:50 PM
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Same with teams playing the bears made the mistake of passing to much.
Hopefully indy will run and show the real C!
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I watched the entire New England game. Even when the Pats were up 21-3 they made no committment to the run! What were they thinkin?
Thats becuase at 21-3, the Colts ran something like the next 35 plays or something like that. From the end of the 2nd quarter clear up until midway of the 3rd. They had cut the lead to 8 without NE ever touching the football. Then when NE tried to run, the Colts line did much better at limiting them on early downs. The mistake teams have made in the playoffs is believing they will run all over Indy, so they have stuck with it on early downs even though it hasnt been working and then they fall behind. Im convinced that KC had absolutely no B plan on offense, they felt like they would run it down our throats. There wideouts had no catches that day. I would say that teams sticking with the run too much too early has actually helped this Indy defense. Im still not sure why nobody has came out, spread them out, and passed on them from the opening kick. Pittsburgh did that last year and was up 14-0 at the end of the 1st qtr. If someone would loosen them up through the air, the running game would open up.
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Old 01-29-2007 | 01:09 PM
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Bottom line is look at the final stats for the last two Colts playoff opponents. Badly pass heavy. You can book it the Bear stats won't be the same. Win or lose this will be a close game. I am not a betting person but I'd jump all over the 7 point spread if I were.

It's balance that wins. Not pass heavy, not run heavy. 50/50.
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Old 01-29-2007 | 01:16 PM
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If I was a better I would take the bears. (bearsstillsuck.com)
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