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Think of it this way this summer in canada a runner from a coal minewas attack after work going back to his camp, loggers in northern wi have encountered wolves but got away before anything could happen.
As more wolves enter and are born in WI they will split up into new packs destroying deer population-yes i know that they only attack the weakest ones but what if they are fawns in the spring time. There would be no more fawns which means no deer in that area. Also they push out the coyotes. I actually hunt almost everywhere in WI or talk to people who do and they are having the same thing happening, the south are seeing more coyotes and less in the north.
that is because the wolves are bigger than the coyotes and the yotes are bigger than fox so they will start moving south or into cities. this could be a big problem for everyone if coyotes start moving into cities to escape the wolves. if a hungry yote is in the area of young children where do you think its easiest meal is?
if we dont start taking wolves or managing them better i will predict next year we will have a human killed by wolves or coyotes. they are a nuisance for hound hunters because its like a dinner bell for them. I am surpised that there hasnt been any deaths in montana yet, but i know its coming and when your walking in a big swamp early morning or late nights deer hunting in wolf country you try to forget about all of that.

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Wolves are hugely misunderstood. Most of the ideas people have about wolves are old school and are false. Wolves, in fact, will not "destroy" the population of deer in WI. People need to get the facts and be educated about wolves before making any shoot from the hip judgements.

This same topic is being pounded in the bowhunting forum.....
http://www.huntingnet.com/forum/tm.aspx?m=1863647

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From what ive gathered from woodland owner's conferences, wolves are a problem not because they will cause huge damages to the herd as a whole, but because they move into an area, take out as many deer as they can, and move on when there is no more food (deer) in the area. IMO, the wolves are a problem, and i'd bet my hunting rights that more than 9 got shot this season.

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Welcome to northern MI's problem.

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Sorry boys, I don't buy it.

I hunt in an area with a large wolf population and I can tell you that the wives tales you hear about wolves are false.

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I live in Michigan's U.P and this year we had 3 or 4 cases where hunters have shot wolves. 2 or 3 are being charged. I Hunt Michigan and Ontario Canada (Which you can hunt wolves with a small game license) and both places have wolf populations. If you see some of the bucks they pull out of Canada you would think the wolves were vegetarians. More deer are killed by vehicles in Michigan then wolves. I aggree with Dan there is a lot of non factual info ou there on wolves. Now don't get me wrong I'm not a wolf lover, but they are not the only factorin deer populations where I live. Just my 2 cents

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Wolves have lowered deer populations in many areas of northern Wisconsin. Deer are more densily congregated around towns, lake properties, and private properties where wolves tend to avoid.

The Wisconsin wolf population has leveled off some what and is not increaseing like it was. Domestic dog diseases like mange, and territory saturation, has resulted in most wolves dieing or being killed before they can form new packs.

With 4,000 wolves in Minnesota, Wisconsin, and Michigan, there is no need for them to be on the endangered list, or lumped into the same catagory as wolves in the western states. The midwest could regulate its own wolf populations if the Federal government would let it. JMHO

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Bear hunters have beenupset for yearsabout the numerous wolves. They stick a lot of time, effort and money into their dogs only to lose them to wolves. I knowthe dogs are "invading" the wolves territoryand even though I don't hunt over hounds, I don't blame them for being mad.

Also, the elk herd near Clam Lake loses several elk each year to wolves. I'm too lazy to look up the exact number, but with the elk herd barely over 100 animals any loss hurts. Car accidents have taken a toll on the elk, too, as they have been hit going to feeders or simply cruising the area. The DNRstronglyurged people to stop using feeders. So I can't believe they're thrilled about losing elk to wolves either, but they may feel their hands are tied there.

The wolf population in WI is already a big controversy. As the population increases over the next decade,the problem will need to be addressed somehow. And I certainly believe it is a problem!

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Coyotes are going to kill a human??????

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Dont Belive anything people say about wolves not being a problem! Where I hunt in Idaho this is a statistic from inside the Fish and game. In the salmon area Calf Elk survival was 3% so 97% didnt make it this was because of weather, and wolves,and Mainly wolves. little aircraft fly over the salmon river valley all day and in one day over a 5 square mile area 50 diffrentwolves where spotted in a 6 hour period. Now thats a problem!

And this last winter 15 known cases of bear deaths where by wolves during there hybernation period the wolves got hem out of there dens and would eat them while they where still alive. but unable to function.

Belive what you want to belive butwhen I hunt out there and I see wolves going after Deer, bear, or elk you bet your (rear end) its going to die.

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cowboy, I have said it before and will say it again. The situation out West is much different than here in WI. I can see where there is a serious problem out West but not yet here in WI. There is serious need for a Wolf season out there and there will need to be one here soon too.

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Dan so you are saying we should wait till it becomes a problem? Fella it already has. My future father in law had a steer half eaten on night, granted it got its head stuck in the feader and hung it self first. But they still came right up in his yard and ate the hinds out of this thing in 1 night. Whats next?

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[quote]ORIGINAL: TeeJay

Dan so you are saying we should wait till it becomes a problem? Fella it already has. My future father in law had a steer half eaten on night, granted it got its head stuck in the feader and hung it self first. But they still came right up in his yard and ate the hinds out of this thing in 1 night. Whats next? Fella? I was talking about here in WI, you are in MN. Mn has a wolf population of almost 10x that of WI. MN should have a season. WI is very close to needing one oursleves.

Does that clear it up, fella?[8D]

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why wait until there is a problem? we need to act on the wolf situation before it becomes a problem!! we dont need wolves in this state at all...but we're stuck with them so we need to manage them

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Help yourself and everyother hunter you know Kill a wolf save 50+ deer

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I say vote for Wolf hunts in wisconsin. I HATE wolves and im proud of it.

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And the thing is I know In lower michigan there are supposed to be 0 wolves but I saw what might have been one moving through the woods, or it might have been a world record class coyote. None the less it was huge I wish i could have had a shot at it! it had to weigh 100 lbs or more. and Yes at first when i saw it i thought it was a huskey Dog but the mroe I looked at it i could tell it wasnt.

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People say that they arent going to have wolves. Sorry to tell ya but where ever theres deer there's going to be wolves. And i'll tell you one thing its not a good lookin site watching the wolves kill the deer. I seen it rifle hunting and next time im just gonna turn my head.

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Why turn your head when you could stop it.

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The deer woulda died anyhow since when i saw it the wolf had it by the leg. Later on in the day the wolves woulda got it anyhow. I wish i coulda shot the wolves but its not legal which it should be. So that answers your question cowboy

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Google Southern California cotote attacks, it might surprise you.

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Wisconsin-Michigan-Minnisota are parts of a tri state wolf program.Does ANY of this ring a bell out there?According to the feds,we can mannage our wolves if all three states have an acceptable management plan.Each state does have a plan and we are ready.Can anyone guess what is stopping us?

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I hear what your saying,loosing your tags for shooting a wolf isnt worth it.I gotta hand it to ya,that is some awsome control.I know you wanted to.

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No one has to know. do you huntprivate land?just dont go up to it let the coyotes take care of it there wont be much left after that.

Yes Iknow its against the law to shoot wolves and I am VERYlaw abiding but whenim being lied to about the actuall wolf population thats when I WILL TAKE ACTION!

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90% of the country is going to hear about this terrible person who snuffed a bunch of poor wolves and believe he is a terrable person.They dont know any more than what they read.We are supposed to have less than 500 wolves in wi.The whole state! Ive seen 12 in one marsh,one right after another. And that was in an area the DNR says there are no wolves.I honestly believe they didnt know,I honestly believe,they think every pack has a collared female.I honestly believe they need help to get an accurate count.Cause the system isnt working.

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Ive got some food for thaught.Wolves in wisconsin are protected.You cant own one,unless its a hybred...After talking the matter over with some folks who deal with them more than i do.It finally made sence to me that the gap in our oppinions isnt so bad.what im seeing arround here is probbobly wolf hybreds.That would explain the boldness that wolves are NOT known for.You realy cant tell by looking at a picture of them.It can only be determined by DNA. But on the trail,Its actions should give it away im told.Well,it turns out i cant shoot a dog running loose on my property either,a cat yes,but not a dog.Makes sence,i dont want to shoot someones buddy.Only a game warden can do that.
Now its time for everyone to do there part.The DNR has people to find wolves.They also have people(voluntiers) who do nothing but follow a certain wolf all winter.When one person stops another picks up the trail and continues.Thats one way they know what they kill,etc. There are not enough people to record all the activity in the state,so they rely on active hunters to report findings in the field.Mabe there are wolves in an area that they didnt know about.Get on the WIDNR web and let them know you need some post cards to report evidence of threatened or endangered animals in the field.The DNR is not your enemy,and they need your help.Everyone will benefit from it,including you.

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Well I think what you said about shooting cats is BS cause i do have cats and if YOU where to shoot one I would come after you with everything i have! Same thing if you shot a dog but you said you wouldnt want to shoot someones "buddy" well my cats are my "buddies" so next time think before you type.

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Cowboy,quit reading into everything i say,Im talking the law here.What the heck am i going to do with a bunch of dead cats? I wouldnt blame you for flipping out on someone for wasting fluffy.

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LOL I was only being half way serious HAHA

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Well ill tell u this true hound hunters would get rid of their bad dogs because its a waste of dog food. Why keep bad dogs on a property when you can have good hunters where its worth it. And cats i will agree that for farmers they arent bad. I used to be a farmer until milk prices dropped hard. But there has to be a line where we can get rid of cats. So if you have a cat in a foot hold what are you going to do, legally you cant kill it but it will bite u if u try.

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A cat in a foothold means you are not adjusting the pan tention,or you caught a huge cat.If you want to release him,it will take some time but you can do it safely.Its not against the law here to shoot a ferrel cat,but your chances of catching him again in that kind of setup are slim.So thats not a worry,I let housecats go all the time.Ive even let Bobcats go,That is SPOOKEY,but it can be done.

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Simply put (but being ignored) is the simple fact that many, many more deer are killed each year by vehicles than wolves.

And each and every year, more deer are killed by vehicles than the previous year, especially in states such as WI & MI.

It's a balance of nature and any balance of nature can be quite sensitive. Somehow mother nature finds ways to work things out.

The deer are not ours, they are hers. We are not entitled to them. The wolves have more right to them than we do.

But we must work within the laws laid out by "us"and for us. So here's where I point out forum rules #4 and #6 to cowboy.

Also, a 100 lb coyote?! There are rather distinct physical differencesbetweenyotes& wolves.

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Amen. Its amazing that in these wolf threads a large percentage of the people are advocating breaking the law. Most give suggestions on how to break the law and not how to change the law. It seems that so many are passionate about the issue, but are not helping or finding ways to get the laws changed.

Its makes us looks just as bad as them.

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Hey furgitter, we agree on something![8D]

Except the part about the hybrids. I don't buy the notion that dogs are breeding with wild wolves. Every experience I havehad with wolves leads me to believe that they will kill any dog theysee.They are only becoming more brave because there is more human activity and they are becoming acustomed to people.

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The wolves were here first and I think it is a credit to our generation that they are back. Of course their will be problems and dead deer.. they're a predator. But they will not destroy the population of deer. The wolf, like the bear, can only exist where their is a 'balance' in nature. I only wish I could hunt in such a place.

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Dont say that so loud Dan, I never agree with anyone.LOL.
I know what youre talking about when you say they kill all the dogs they find.And they do kill alot.But,It happens enough that there are hybred wolves.The same goes for coyotes.They will kill and eat BIG dogs out west,But they also breed with the domestics and have for 20 years that i know of.Those coyotes are commonly known as COYDOGS.Im not trying to pull a prank on ya.Its real.The Mexican red wolf also breeds with coyotes often enough that,im not sure there are any reds left any more.They all look like big giant coyotes with funny tracks.

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I live 5 miles from the benson lake clan out of crivitz Wi.Wolves have absolutly crushed the local deer population .I bow hunted 4 days a week average this year all 9 days of the gun season and 7 days a week from dec 15th to the end of the season .I saw exactly 11 deer all year.I have not seen a deer on the road up here at night for over 6 months.I have seen 5 wolves,16 bears,and lots of coyotes.You cannot have all these preditors and expect that deer mortality is not going to be extreemly high.So what did our dnr do to help .They opened the area up with 3500+ doe permits.Anybody else sick and tired of this .Its getting worse every year but this year takes the cake