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The DNR announced that nine of 358 deer shot during a special August hunt in the zone had tested positive. One of the nine was shot about one mile northwest of Cross Plains and was close enough to the boundary of the zone so that it was expanded by 22 square miles.

The DNR has widened its eradication zone by 43% since May as more cases have been found. The bigger zone means that more deer will have to be killed.

Within the CWD eradication zone the total of infected wild deer is 40 out of 1557 tested, or a 2.57% infection rate.

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You know, I've stated that from the very beginning, that CWD is across the Entire State !!!!! And it's probably been here for more years than we would really like to know, and we've been eating CWD infected deer for a good many years, and why should any of this be a surprise to any of us !!!!

I think CWD is natures way of thinning the herd ????

"If it sounds and looks too good to be true, it probably is !"
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Sswpriz, your opinion is just a guess. Next spring we may know if your guess has any merit.

NIck Bales ... be carefull ... dem black helecopters have been flying mighty low around your house lately, LOL.

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<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>Good one Nick, just checking, wanted to make sure you were still with us, LOL. <img src=icon_smile_8ball.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_clown.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_tongue.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_8ball.gif border=0 align=middle>

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Personally I don't think DNR has anything to gain by lying about CWD. Hunters in WI spend 1 BILLION a year on deer hunting. Do you really think that anyone in their right mind wants to loose 1 billion dollars?? Stop thinking up conspiracy theories, CWD is a very serious issue and it must be dealt with before it reaches epidemic proportions. Understand that this disease has the potential of decimating the deer herd throughout the country and we really don't know what it does to humans.

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Stealthy,

Welcome to the board. With that said, you have chosen the wrong topic to start off with. I see you are from NJ. There are many people from WI who live in and around this story and so have many informed and educated guesses as to how or why CWD has appeared as well as it's ramifications. Most know how I feel so I will save my soapbox speech for now. Just thought you might want to know what you're getting into before you get in to deep. This topic is an abyss.

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Sorry Stealthy,

Just noticed a lot of my posts are gone so it could be your not a rookie after all<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle> In which case you wouldn't need or appreciate my advice so I'll just go back to the sidelines now and watch this unfold for the upteenth time<img src=icon_smile_cool.gif border=0 align=middle> TJD, swell up and get sag!!! He's spreading that damn DNR love again<img src=icon_smile_evil.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_clown.gif border=0 align=middle>

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Now Jolly!....

I actually pray for the DNR every night. My prayer goes, &quot;God bless and keep the DNR...FAR, FAR AWAY!!&quot;

I think it is interesting that the infection rate here in WI is right in line with the infection rate in WY and CO, not higher as the higher deer density was supposed to indicate. Actually, the overall rate in WY is HIGHER at around 4%.

So again, WHY do we need to kill off everything in the eradication zone??



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sag...Again, you are 100% right, my opinion is just a guess, because I don't know what is really going on....just like the WDNR !!!!! I think they are just guessing too !!!!

What happens when they do the testing this fall and find CWD in the deer where I hunt north of Hayward ???? Are they going to say that they have to eradicate all the deer in that area too ?????

Let's face it people, it's been here, it's gonna stay here, live with it !!!!! That's my guess and I'm sticking to it !!!!! <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>

&quot;If it sounds and looks too good to be true, it probably is !&quot;
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Nick, you just coming out of your cave now? Where you been since February? <img src=icon_smile_shock.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_question.gif border=0 align=middle>

If you had gone to any of the CWD info meetings you would have had all those redundant questions answered or explained many times over. <img src=icon_smile_dissapprove.gif border=0 align=middle>

Before you continue any further maybe you should have your eyes and ears checked to make sure they are connected to your brain, because the info don't seem to be registering anywhere.

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Sag,

I still haven't heard any definitive answers to any of these questions yet either. Just speculation and unproven theories. If you have some factual evidence that can enlighten me, please do! But to this point I haven't seen any evidence to support the DNR's solutions. But let me take another spin on this:

What if we do kill ALL of the deer within the eradication zone? Then what? We DO have hard evidence that deer reintroduced into a previously infected region have a high probability of contracting the disease, so essentially we will have rendered it barren of the deer herd.

What did this action accomplish?

Remember that the eradication zone is constantly expanding and the DNR has not indicated if it has any intentions of stopping this expansion. After this deer season, when the testing is done and it is found throughout the state with few exceptions will the eradication zone encompass the entire state? So we kill ALL the deer within this new revised eradication zone and then we will be left with nothing. An entire herd slaughtered out of fear that a disease may wipe it out.

Sorry I just don't see the logic.

There is no evidence that this disease will wipe out our herd, but I think there is some pretty strong evidence that if we do what the DNR advocates it will be wiped out.

So, again, What exactly are we saving the herd from?

Jolly

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Sag,
<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote<font size=1 face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote> If you had gone to any of the CWD info meetings you would have had all those redundant questions answered or explained many times over. <hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' size=2 id=quote>

I rest my case !!!!!!!!

&quot;If it sounds and looks too good to be true, it probably is !&quot;
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the only place east of the mississippi that deer in the wild have been found with cwd is in the area near mt. horeb. there is absolutly no evidence (or facts) to support the claim that cwd has spread across the state and throughout the midwest. so if you are so determined to hear facts - lets hear the facts that support your claims as well.

just because you dont like the news that the wdnr reports, doesnt mean that this whole thing is a giant conspiracy. i find it hard to believe that everybody associated with this at the dnr is getting some kick back from the insurance companies to keep them quiet.

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Well, it's easy to see that this topic is as lively as usual!

Sag...with regard to Nick's questions, he's right. The DNR never answered many of them, other than to say &quot;we don't know&quot;. In fairness, it is not unexpected that the DNR would not have ALL the answers with regard to CWD. No one does. The problem isn't their lack of answers, but their forcing of a &quot;solution&quot; that basically calls for the extermination of all the deer in any infected area. Again, with regard to their solution...why??? Let me focus for a second on Nick's question number 7.

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote<font size=1 face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>Although CWD was first documented in free-ranging deer and elk in southeast Wyoming and northeast Colorado in the 1980s, it is likely the disease has been present at least 30 to 50 years, Thorne adds. During that time there has been no corresponding incidence of transmissible spongiform encephalopathy diseases in humans in the area.

He also challenged statements that CWD “is found across the West.” “Chronic wasting disease has only been found in free-ranging deer and elk in southeast Wyoming, northeast Colorado and one positive case in the very western portion of the Nebraska panhandle,” he said. “In the affected area of Wyoming and Colorado tests show only 4 to 5 percent of deer have the disease and the rate is much lower for elk.”<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' size=2 id=quote>

Let me repeat: 30 to 50 years!!!

That by the way is stated by Dr. Tom Thorne, wildlife veterinarian and Services Division chief for the Wyoming Game and Fish Department.
This isn't some crackpot conspiracy theorist. Also, something else:

1) CWD was first discovered in the wild in the 1980's. Since that time, the population of deer in Wyoming and Colorado have increased, not decreased. Hardly indicative of any calamatous epidemic.

2) The rate of infection stated here in this thread in WI is a little less than 3%. This corresponds very closely with the 4-5% rate out West. As I stated above, this seems to contradict the contention that higher deer densities here would lead to higher infection rates.

The problem is not that the DNR does not have all the answers. The problem is that the DNR is reaching straight for the nuclear weapons to contend with this problem without having more answers than they do.

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Hey muchster why dont you get your facts straight before you jump to conclusions this is farm country more food is around then the deer herd can eat. Why dont you go out and shoot half your deer off so that you dont have to worry about your deer getting CWD.<img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>

(I can skin a buck or run a trout line)

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<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote<font size=1 face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>Now that you can't bait, how are all them deer going to survive if we have a harsh winter. <hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' size=2 id=quote>
Pete: I see from your profile, you are also from WI. I think there was a few more baiters up your way than down here. Sometimes its best to just keep ones opinions to ones self. 50-75% ROTFLMAO You need to wake up.

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muckster,

There aren't THAT many deer anywhere in the world! Deer farms don't even have 150 deer per square mile! LMAO<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>. Not to many people bait down here, although I have seen farmers leave standing corn through the winter. When this baiting issue came up I was amazed to hear some people actually dump loads of shelled corn in the woods up north! I have heard of the occasional farmers who kick slt licks or mineral licks out on their land but that's about it and to be honest until this year I thought it WAS illegal to hunt over those spots. Just never gave it a thought because I'd rather have hunted funnels and edges than licks. Oh well, good luck on your hunt this weekend and please leave it better than you find it so the bowhunters have a good weekend next week, it should be real good then!

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Muckster,

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote<font size=1 face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>People should alway's state there opinion. Why should I keep it to myself? Just cause someone doesn't like to here it.<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' size=2 id=quote> You are right. That's what bulletin boards are all about. But hopefully, that opinion is an informed one, not some hysterical nonsense. On that point...<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=1 face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>When other deer come to eat the bones from the dead deer guess what, you now have 50% to 75% CWD in the herd.<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' size=2 id=quote> Hmmmm? where'd you get that bit of silliness from? Highest rate of occurence I was able to find out about among whitetail deer was 18%...and that was among deer on a deer farm out West. And with regard to 150 deer per square mile?!...WHERE did you get that from??

Again, let's go back:

&quot;Although CWD was first documented in free-ranging deer and elk in southeast Wyoming and northeast Colorado in the 1980s, it is likely the disease has been present at least 30 to 50 years.&quot;

And now deer are extinct in Wyoming and Colorado, aren't they? Oh that's right, there are now MORE deer out there!

...and...

“In the affected area of Wyoming and Colorado tests show only 4 to 5 percent of deer have the disease and the rate is much lower for elk.”

And here in Wisconsin, the rate is less than 3%, despite all of the hysterical claims by the DNR that our higher deer densities would mean much higher incidence rates.

...you were saying something about having blinders on??...


Edited by - TJD on 10/25/2002 09:08:26

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I was just on Bowsite.com and read a thread on the WI forum that I think a lot of you would be interested in. I'm not good at inserting threads, but I can say that the author is ridgeruler and he directs you to a dialogue that took place in CO? (I think). Anyway's two parties are discussing CWD and the ramifications and it becomes obvious that they are way far and beyond us as far as informed opinions. I would invite everyone to go have a look at it if you can decipher my directions.

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Jolly: Heres the link you refer to. http://www.deerforum.com/discus/mess...1852#POST10056
Just so you know, it comes from a deer farmers message board.

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Jolly and Nub: Thanks!

Especially read the posts written by the participant named &quot;Randy&quot;, who identifies himself as a veterinarian. I think the responses of the vets in New Zealand and Britian are particularly telling.

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Just to keep things in perspective...

&quot;Ridgeruler&quot; is a deerfarmer and a member of WOW (Whitetails Of Wisconsin), which is a deerfarmer's organization.

Now then, the deerfarming industry's &quot;ace in the hole&quot; throughout the CWD issue in WI and other states is that no captive deer has ever been found to have CWD. That &quot;ace&quot; turned into a joker not long ago when the first one was discovered in Portage County WI. Since then, others have been discovered as well.

The deerfarming industry is full-bore into &quot;damage control&quot; right now. Take it with a grain...no, make that a BAG...of salt.

JRW

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JRW,

Good points. I was more interested in the posts by the two participants in the link that Nub posted: Randy and antler(?).

...but back to the case at hand.

There is still no reason...no evidence, no basis...to shoot everything in sight in the eradicaton zone! None! The hysteria created around CWD, which has accounted for a 20%+ drop in license sales is due in large part to the DNR's handling of this issue.

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TJD,

I understand what you're saying. However, as a NR hunter in WI (I live in IL), I don't comment about things that the WDNR does. It's not my place as an &quot;outsider&quot;.

I do bowhunt in 70B, and have for years. It's disturbing, the things that I'm hearing from the locals up there.

JRW

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All quiet on the CWD front. Sure don't sound like any opening weekend I've ever heard. I can hear a few bird hunters blasting pheasants a few miles away in the public marsh, but not a sound from the hills.

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Personally I rather see the time and money go into better concentrated study, on a variety of alternative ideas. Better to derive a cause and solution, and then methodically implement that sound strategy. That is much more logical then to run off willy-nilly. But a govt knee jerk is a product of our litigious society. <hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' size=2 id=quote>

...and...<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=1 face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>Now, as to culling helping to stem the disease. I do not like the idea of total herd elimination but do advocate selective culling.<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' size=2 id=quote> What the DNR wants to do here is tantamount to total herd elimination in the Mt. Horeb area. Hence the term eradication zone. In my opinion, that is the problem. If they were calling for a reduction in herd size in the area, that would be one thing. That would make some sense. But killing off a herd in order to save it?...

With regard to you other statement <BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=1 face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>If it is only detected in 4% of the deer out west in Wy. and Co. why do they support the Wi. DNR for eradication. Could there be more of an infection rate that what there telling us? You guy's won't believe your own DNR but you will believe another states DNR?<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' size=2 id=quote> Not sure what you mean there. I believe the WDNR when they say that they have found less than 3% infection rate here, and I believe WY when they say that the average incidence is 4 to 5%. AND it is precisely that fact that leads to a somewhat contradictory conclusion by our DNR. Herd density is higher here, but rate of infection is lower. According to the wave of hysteria that the DNR started back in the Spring, we were supposed to kill all of the deer in the Mt. Horeb area and kill them now!! Remember how we had to start shooting deer in June because there was no time to waste? Now, why do the game agencies out West support the WDNR's move? Maybe the same reason that 30 years ago, game regulator nationwide didn't have the foresight to see that not shooting enough does would lead to overpopulation of the herd. But of course, most game agencies agreed that it was better to kill antlered deer only. What's that phrase: Birds of a feather flock together?

Muckster, the problem is not that the DNR wants to reduce the herd in the Mt. Horeb area. That can be shown to be a prudent move, given the circumstances. But to even try the ridiculous, complete elimination, is foolish. Again, why the need for such drastic action when the rate of infection is in the single digits, here as well as out West? Why do it when we have no evidence that even taking that step will do anything at all to get rid of CWD? Why set a drastic precedent that says that in any area that CWD is found, the DNR wants each and every deer shot? Imagine that after this season we find thru testing that isolated cases of CWD are found in pockets around the state: a case near Eau Claire, one near Green Bay, one near Marshfield, and one near Waukesha. Then what? According to DNR policy, we would then make about 80% of the state an &quot;eradication zone&quot;. If successful, the deer population of Wisconsin would probably be about the same as...oh, maybe Hawaii??

Boy! What a great idea! We'd have a scant number of deer, still have CWD, and wouldn't have to worry about &quot;too many hunters&quot;, since license sales would probably plummet from over 1/2 million to less than 100,000.

Hope you like squirrel hunting!



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Mmmmmm MMMMMMM!

FINALLY a voice for the squirrels! Thank you TJD! I thought everyone here had forgotten about those scrumptious little guys. I think this will definately benefit the squirrel herd and then we can corner the market on P&Y for them. Gotta go! Squirrel rut is kickin in!<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_evil.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_clown.gif border=0 align=middle>

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Jolly: Seen any Roosters over your way? Have Lab, will travel.

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Pretty hot issue it is. Being from wis. and hunting in unit 59c. I would just like to throw in my $.02. I agree that its been here for a while. But I think the DNR is going about it wrong. I'm no biologist. Maybe eradicating them is the way to go, but, who knows. I think they just jumped right in and said wholly sh*t lets take out 25k deer. Maybe they shouldn't have made such a big deal about it. I think the thing we should be worried about is creutzfelt-jakob. I cant remember where, but I think it was near Hayward? The story where the fellows died from eating venison. I cant remember the article exactly. But there is some link, I'll have to find that article. That disease scares me more than cwd. We have all probably eaten venison that has been infected with cwd. I'm not going to not hunt this year. Nor will I ever. Life is too short to divide this comraderie between us. We cant bicker over something like this. I've seen people in the local taveroon almost come to blows. (must be the liquer lol) I agree with Nick. It's a conspiracy and should be classified as an X-file.

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buckbuster,

The article you refer to was a biggest piece of speculation and garbage you will see in quite some time.
It was a reach in an attempt by the MJS to TRY to tie the NATURAL occurance of CJD to people who happened to eat together at a game feed over 10 years ago.
What was not reported was that no venison eaten at that feed was taken from an area known to be infected with CWD. What was also not reported was that one of those who died, died from Pick's Disease which is closer to Alzheimer's than anything else. This diagnosis was recently confirmed through more testing of the autopsy sample.(which was likely conveniently not reported by your local paper?)
The other two did die from CJD 6 years apart and were in the prime age to get the disease. this falls right in with the 1 in a million natural occurance of the disease.
That they were mutual acquaintances was nothing more than an unfortunate circumstance.
This was all in a memo from a Public Health Official in Southern Wisconsin who was asked to check into it by elected officials.
In the over 35 years that CWD has been identified there has never been a case confirmed of someone dying from eating venison infected with CWD.
The disease(prion)has never been found in the muscle in at least two laboratory studies.

Tim


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