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[:@]Iwould just like to know what most hunters in wisconsin think about baiting in wisconsin.Lets go back to the basics and stop this .I hunt in northern wi unit 49a and I think baiting sucks and makes the deer not have to move till dark.Their is so much illigal baiting going on it makes me sick lets all think about this a minuite and think about what it was like hunting five six years ago when itwas not so bad

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I hunted aroundSayner area (unit 39) on public land got a nice ten and a doe with no bait.Baitings a pain in the a**. Most hunters dump the bait close to the road. So the deer stick close to theHWY.You are right about people breaking the law and dumping pounds and pounds of corn. I don't mind it. I just think it's lazy and it tells meyou don't know much about deer behavior.

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I know where I hunt (Unit 25), that it is not uncommon to hear of someone dumping a huge amount of bait. The group I hunt with, we don't use bait piles all that often any more, we've gone to small food plots scattered throughout the woods, and hunt on the trails that lead to them (since it is suggested not to hunt on a small food plot, otherwise deer will visit them during the night time hours).

If we do put out some bait, it might just be a gallon of corn in front of a game camera...just to see what we've got up there.

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I have to admit, I am a baiter. I dont do it to the extremes as some people do, but I do bait. But my bait consists of a coffee can full of corn every 3-4 days. I dont put it in one pile, I scatter it so the deer have to find it, and when they do, its a treat for them. This doesnt mean im shooting every deer that comes in, cause thats not the case. I take only 1 mature doe and one buck, 6 points or more during bow season. Not only does the corn attract the deer, it keeps them still for a clear shot, for a quick kill. 5-6 years ago there were no restriction on baiting whatsoever. Now remember theres different types of baiting, scents are considered baiting as well. So youre saying that thoes who use cover scents such as acorn, corn, apple, etc are baiters as well. And what about Doe estrus, buck urine, doe urine, etc, thats considered bait. You better not be using any of that and be bashing baiters cause now youre one too. This baiting crap has been pounded and pounded and you know it will keep going round and round to no end. I do my deer research just about all year round to learn their behaviors and patterns for each season. This means Im in the woods more than most in a year. This year I passed on a 12 pointer which would have scored more than 150 B&C because he didnt offer me a comfortable shot. There was corn, a hole field of it! I then passed on him a second time the next day out of a different stand in the woods, there was corn, not even half a coffee can full. He was eating kernals of corn for about 9 minutes before he turned and walked the same way he came in. I saw this buck on numberous occasions this year and he made it through gun season and will be there next year. I will not start flingin arrows at a deer like some non baiters do and wounding it. My point being, would I have seen this buck without corn, probably, would he have given me a better shot without corn, maybe, maybe not. How do I know id see this buck several times out of the year, because I did my research, located his rub and scrape lines, andlocated his bedding area, and monitored his movement beahviors. Same goes for the 8 pointer that I shot back in 2002. I watched him since he was a yearling, I got to know the buck on a personal level, I knew his every move, wher he was comming from, what he was going to do when he got to where he was going, what time he was comming and going. In 2002 I knew he was mature enough to take since he had sported an 8 point rack 2 years in a row. He wasnt going to get any bigger. i invaded his bedding area during the rut of the 2002 bow season after numerous sightings, and when i mean numberous I mean on a day by day basis, I saw this buck every day of the 2002 bow season with out getting a clean shot. I was not worried i knew he was goign down on opening day of gun season at 7:58am. How was I so sure? Simple research answered it for me. He was traveling right by my rifle stand at the same time every day for the previous 4 years. Did I use bait, no. There was no need to. Our buck to doe ratio in 2002 was about equal. Now our buck to doe is so out of wack that now we have to start shooting does just to balance things out again. This is where the bait comes to play. Good clean shots= quick lethal kills = faster recovery. I have not used scents in about 6 years, which Is baiting. Anyoen who disagrees with me on that one, be my guest. Heres why scents are concidered bait. Itdoes the same thing that corn, or deer pelets do, it attracts deer. Soif you want to be a real non baiter put the scents in the garbage, because none of them work anyway, and quit bashing thoes who do.

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Hell I go to the local orchard and get the bad apples and spread a whole pickup load in a pile at the end/bottom of the ravine on the farm I hunt 2 weeks prior to season. Got a corn field on one side and alfalfaon the other at the top of the ravineand that is were my stand is.

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You just told on yourself. In WI you can only hunt over 2 gallons of bait. I just checked the reg's. Whatever do what you will. Screw the law and regs.

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The way I read the regulations is that you can't hunt within 100 yards of more that 2 gallons. lax may be over 100 yards away from all those apples.

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It says from the 2005 reg. quote "You may not feed deer for hunting OR non-hunting purposes in the shaded counties. In the non-shaded counties you may not place , use or hunt over 2 or more gallons of feed for hunting or non-hunting purposes". The shaded areas is the bottom half of the state portage county, and then it pyramids down from there. I'm not saying this to be a jerk, but to hopefully stop someone from getting a ticket.

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Baiting sux! You might as well hunt in fences!

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Where is the heck did you read that!!! Better read them a bit better. 2 gallon limit in allowed baiting areas. 2 gallons per 40 acre parcel of land, that does not include adjacent land. 100 feet is a long shot with a bow....better get it straight the next time. You can hunt right over the bait pile in legal bating areas.

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As you can tell with the few postes so far you can tell what most ethical hunters think about baiting.Ishot a nice7 pointer sept30 with the bow on my buddys land at545pm 75degrees and windy. We saw five bucks that nite.As for baiting to stop the deer to get a clean shot I shot mine walking at 15 yards with the wind blowing in its face.I still think baiting messing up the deer hunting in the state.Im not trying to get anybody mad about this I just wanted to see what people think about it.Ithink it gets worse for gun deer hunting than bow hunting. Good huntig acdc.

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If planting for deer is baiting, then I bait every year [8D]. Both dumping an plantinghave the same effect, they concentrate the deer. So is planting bad?

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HERE HERE!!! I agree. But as for the other guy, i have shot many many bucks and does with out the aid of bait. And will continue do so, im not out there dumping even a half gallon of corn just one coffe can of corn every 3-4 days, and not a big coffee can asmaller one, its no different than taking acorns from one loaction and spreading them out on the ground in another. Ther is no difference if I use acorns, apples, corn, etc, its a natural food source sometimesjust misplaced lol. Do you use scents to attract deer??? If so...STOP BAITING! Your just like the rest of us who bait, but you make it sound like its a bad thing.

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The differences between baiting with a highly concentrated food source, and using an attractive scent are so obvious that to try to equate the two is somewhat laughable.

Can some correlations be made...of course. However, any prudent observer can clearly see many major differences.

(as is evidenced by every state law concerning baiting in the entire country, not one state considers the use of deer scents as baiting)

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That maybe so, but again, it works exactly as a food source...am I wrong....no im not. The deer smell it, come in, taste it and then BANG!!! Youre creating an illusion of something thats not there with scents, why not have them come into something that is there.

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If you can't see the obvious differencesthere is little reason for me to debate the topic.

I'll let the thread get back to the original topic...


Goodluck JC...

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Why does anyone post anythign about baiting on here anyway, it just goes round and round and round and it never dies, lets let this one die.

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here in nebraska i feed my deer heard in the summer out of the hunting seasons so i dont get accused of "baiting"..

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I forgot toput the words (use to) in the first sentence in my previousreply. As far as what one does on his own land in regards to food plots, baiting, or even dumping a little out of the grain wagonI could careless.

The DNR in my opinion have more important things to take care of than worrying about a guy dumping 5 gallons of feed on the ground.

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HEHE!! The only thing WDNR has to worry about is how much is left in their wallets. They're killing hunting. And were killing their wallets. Why do you think so many wardens lost their jobs, They are broke so now they up the license fees, changing laws to hopefully issue more fines etc...when i was growing up I always wanted to be a warden because I love the outdoors, Im glad im not one now, and I feel sorry for moany of the WDNR that chose to be one. Many are hated to death.

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well i guess that in my thoughts is that food plots ara not baiting.Idont think they concentraite the deer that much better Ihave 20 acres of hay field that does not do me s***.As for scents what does every body use now tell how scent concentraite deer right I dont think sooooo!!!!D O YOU THINK DOE PISS IS GOING TO CONCINTRAITE ALL THE DEER IN ONE AREA AS A GREAT BIG PILE OF CORN OR APPLES DOES. GOOD HUNTING ACDC

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You knwo what, this thread has been beat into the ground and is really begining to get annoying. Let it die, we all have different styles of hunting, if someone wants to bait who really gives a sh*! If some one doesnt bait who givesa shi*!. I sure dont. I bait, who gives ash*!?

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Amen, I've never heard anything so ridiculous.( Do you use scents to attract deer??? If so...STOP BAITING! )

Here's another one... ( i have shot many many bucks and does with out the aid of bait. And will continue do so, im not out there dumping even a half gallon of corn just one coffe can of corn every 3-4 days, and not a big coffee can asmaller one,) Baiting is baiting wether it's 100 lbs. or a cup full.

I have also shot many bucks and does without the aid of bait, Zero bait. I think that baiting is for people that just want to shoot a deer, any deer. If baiting is legal, I don't have a problem with it. It's just not my choice, it seems to be a lazy way to hunt. Try to hunt individual deer, that's challenging.

What's this? (I will not start flingin arrows at a deer like some non baiters do ) Do only Baiters know when or when not to shoot at deer?

Where do you come from man? Are you new to this sport? With some of the things that you come up with I can't believe that you've been at it very long. Here's proof...

( I got to know the buck on a personal level, I knew his every move, wher he was comming from, what he was going to do when he got to where he was going, what time he was comming and going. In 2002 I knew he was mature enough to take since he had sported an 8 point rack 2 years in a row. He wasnt going to get any bigger. i invaded his bedding area during the rut of the 2002 bow season after numerous sightings, and when i mean numberous I mean on a day by day basis, I saw this buck every day of the 2002 bow season with out getting a clean shot.)

What kind of hunting is that? Knowing a bucks every move you shoulda had him after a week. For your information, bucks racks usually get bigger every year until they're about 6 1/2 years old.

Listen to yourself, you don't sound experienced or knowledgeable to me.

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Well lets see I have been bow hunting for 16 years and have gotten deer every year with and with out bait. Unfortunately the buck I harvested in 2002 (the 8 pointer) did not sport more than 8 points. Why, I have no clue. It just happend that way. When id set up my stand where I knew he was comming from hed come in everyday but just out a comfortable range. That is why I didnt take him earlier. I studied this buck for quite sometime. Like I said, I knew this buck on a personal level. And I didnt use bait to get him or attract him to my stand. I didnt want him to become noctornal. He came in naturally opening morning of gun season of 2002 and I took him out. He was the only buck I was focused on that year. I even passed up a nice 10 pointer the lastweek of bow season while hunting another standin another location on our property, because I dont hunt near my rifle the last week of bow season because gun season opens that same weekend. Heres a pic of the 8.

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That's a nice buck. When I said they keep getting bigger until about 6 1/2 years, they do, they may not grow any additional points but they grow in mass, length and width. You know , an 8 can go from 125 to 140 in one year and still be an 8.

If you don't want a buck to become nocturnal, wouldn't it be more harmful to " invade his bedding area" than to attract him with bait? I don't know because I don't use bait. Where I hunt it is totally illegal. However it is considered a very agressive move and sort of last resort to invade a big bucks bedding area. Much safer to crowd the edges of it.

Why would you pass up a nice 10 with your bow to shoot a nice 8 with your gun, when you could of had both of them? That would seem completely successful to me, unless you didn't want to take that many bucks off of your land.

For what its worth, I started bowhunting in 1967. Gun hunting in 1968. About 38 seasons. I've taken 62 deer. 37 bucks 25 does. 20 bucks with a bow. 14 mature, 8 - 14 points, 125 to 183".Gross score.7 P & Y. With all of the antlerless tags available, I shoot does for meat, then hunt for big bucks. I don't get big bucks every year but I have fun trying.

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When I hunted the southern end of the State, baiting was not necessary. After all we hunted wood lots around corn fields. Kind of silly to put bait out when there are fields of it all over for hunting over. Also there were large numbers of hunter moving the deer around.

Then you have the private farmers in the southern end of the State that soak up all the deer crop damage money they can and any other money available to them but when you ask permission to hunt their land and help rid them of the herds causing the damage they tell you there is someone going to hunt there. Their land, their rules.

Then, there is no use baiting on some of the smaller plots of public hunting grounds I foundbecause opening day all you see is blaze orange jackets every where. That or you get the "Mister Hunter who spouts,"This is my neck of the woods even though it is public hunting grounds,because my group has been hunting this area for twenty years... kind of fool." Even though you were there in your stand long before him and his group managed to get out of bed, they demand you leave the area to them. If you don't then you have members of his group sitting within 50 yards of you, or making drives around you. Needless to say hunting public hunting grounds did not appeal to me at all.

In the northern end of the State you have the choice of baiting or trespassing unless you're willing to enter the National Forests which lead to their own list of problems. This idea of getting after a deer and trying to stalk him down is all fine and good until you reach the neighbors fence and the neighbor and his groupis sitting in that woods on a bait pile waiting for a fool like you to kick him over the fence.

Hunting the national forest one year, I return to my vehicle to find a note. You are hunting in our area and we are warning you that if you know what is good for you, you will not return to this area. How can a National Forest be considered someones area?

The other beauty for the non baiter is you sit in a stand over a natural food plot such as an Oak Grove thicket full of acorns, on your postedproperty only to have the neighbors decide they do have the right to stalk and chase deer across your property because.. "We're your neighbors." :)

Do I bait? Darn right I do. I bait on my property. I tell all my neighbors and anyone else that will listen to stay off my property! I even post it for the hearing impaired that can not hear meyell at them to get off my land. I make it plain that I am hunting there and anyone caught trespassing will be dealt with according to the law in the strictest of manner. I bought my property so I would not have to put up anymorewith all the other hunters crowding my stand. I bought it so I could hunt in safety and peace. So why do I bait? Because it is one way I can keep deer on my acreage. The land is too poor of soilfor a food plot not to mention the time and expense as well. Do I always shoot deer over baits? Nope not always. Bait stations are no guarantee that you WILL see deer. I know three people that hunted their property this year over bait stations and did not see deer. I also stalk my land. A fresh snow, and fresh track. I am more then willing to follow that until I hit a neighbor's fence or obstacle I do not wish to cross like a river for instance.

This idea of a food plot being different then a bait station, I'm confused here? You're planting something, not a typecrop,that is not natural to an area, which has a large appeal factor to white tail deer, that only you and your group will be allowed to hunt, correct? And this is different then a person(s) who hunts a small section of land, piles a bait of corn or what ever which is not natural to the area, that bait which has an appeal factor to whitetail deer (squirrels, blue jays, bear, rabbits, and who knows what else), that if he gets there first (on public land) only he or a member of his group will hunt, and does not make a food plot because he has not the property, the time, or the money and equipmentto do so or all of the above. And this makes the food plot all right and the bait wrong? OK right, every one is allowed their opinion.

I know two people who shot nice bucks. They stalked them down they claim (through my neighbor's property... I know because the neighbor saw them come past his blind). Now, they were on someone elses land that does not allow hunting. Should they have beenturnedin to the DNR or the property owner brought charges against them, orwhat? After all they were breaking the law. This was done a few years back when they outlawed baiting across the entire state. The guys said they had no other choice.

I know of another person that shot a nice buck (a real nice buck!!) on federal property in the middle of no where, away from everyone else,over a bait pile that he tended to on a regular basis to try and bring deer out of the center of the wood to that area. Now he's wrong because he broke no law but hunted over bait, and the other are ok, because they didn't hunt baits but trespassed or ruined someone elses hunt.

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Gregh you rock thanks for your support.I have to agree why would invade a bucks bedding area and pass up bigger buck.Yes a deers rack may not get more points but will gain mass.Look at all the big bucks that were shot this year that were in earn a buck last year. If you can find the wisconsin outdoor news I just read it at workit was the last week of december issue 2005 read what the state wardens think about baiting and let me know what youthink thanks acdc

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I just think baiting is the lazy way, who needs to spend any time in the woods scouting when you can just put out a corn pile out and wait for them to come in. If others want to do it fine, but the reason i bowhunt is for the challenge and the whole outdoor expierence and i dont feel i get either of those sitting over a corn pile. I am not saying it is easy to get a deer over bait, i actually believe it is very difficult to get a mature buck to come to a bait pile in day light hours. To me it is just lazy.