deer meadow outfitters
 

Don't use this outfitter he is a crook, if you are looking at going with him let me know.

RE: deer meadow outfitters
 

Just talked to them the other night,seemed nice and has a large
percentage of repeat clients(So he says).I have not called any
of the references yet.What was your experience with them?

RE: deer meadow outfitters
 

I hunted with this outfitter last year and he is dishonest. He misrepresents his operation and we had a very bad experience. Don't waste your money. He talks a good game on the phone, and unfortunately I fell for it.

RE: deer meadow outfitters
 

look at he pics from 05 to 06 he has 1 repeat client out of 35 guys, he over hunts everything. I promise u don't hunt with him u will regret it,
he will tell u all kinds of stuff to book with him, for instance the ribcage buck on his website that pic isn't even on his place, he is a crook.

RE: deer meadow outfitters
 

As a follow up to the Rib Cage buck comment.One of his guides told me that deer had been killed already, but Scott keeps advertising that he is still out there. He even has a big picture of him on the wall in his lodge and tells everyone he's out there still. That was a lie according to his best guide.

RE: deer meadow outfitters
 

ya the ribcage buck was shot by another neighbor opening day of rifle season in o5, about 2 miles north of him,ha what a liar.
if anyone out there is thinking about booking with him , please let me talk to u first.

Missinformed
 

The information provided on this web-site is not correct and needs a follow up. I own Deer Meadows Outfitters and operate the business with my family. Justin Simmons is a neighbor and a fellow outfitter, and does attend Pleasant Point Community Church with his family and mine. I would hope that he would provide correct information as an outfitter himself, and as a friend. I don't know why Justin would say such things as his family has been friends for along time. I would hope that being an outfitter himself would not cloud his judgement on me and my family. I have had many Outdoor Channel personalities hunt with me and they are all posted on my web-site for everyone to see. I have turned my cheek for many years as he has looked down on my business and have not said anything, but I have to put a stop to all the bad information that he is posting. Justin Simmons has not hunted with me as he runs a outfitting operation business next to mine. He has misinformed you and not told you the truth. I have refrences for all my hunts and am a family run and operated outfitter that loves to hunt and guide people to have the same experience in the sandhills as I have had for myself. Thank you for your time and sorry that this had to be published worldwide. Scott Kuhn

I stand by what I wrote
 

I absolutely stand by everything I posted regarding Deer Meadows Outfitters. I work too hard to save money as I know most of the people on this website do and I wouldn't want anyone to have an experience like mine. I would be happy to discuss my experience with anyone who wants to send me a PM so that they can hear from an actual client.

Look beyond TV personalities who hunt on properties since most get to hunt for free and the red carpet gets rolled out for them. Scott had Jon Brunson in for advertising the year we hunted there just as many outfitters do.

The truth hurts sometimes....
 

I am new to the forum thing and ran across this one. It peaked my interest because i know of this Outfitter and know several people in that area of Nebraska. What i find ironic is the denial and lack of real information provided by Scott. Since he has shown his interest in this thread i have a few questions that if he will answer truthfully will surely make him sleep better at night. It surely won't garner more clients, but at least this will give him a chance to clear his conscience. I have watched most of the shows that are on Deer Meadow's and one really disturbed me. Scott is telling these "Celebrity" hunters that he "RETIRED" from Guiding. Come on Scott, tell the truth! You were busted violating game violations and as a condition of your SENTENCE you couldn't Guide or be "associated" with Outfitting.. You are a convicted Felon. We'll start there....for now...i will ask my other questions after this one is answered..see below.


http://nppc.nol.org/susp.htm#kuhn
NPPC Case No. 06-09, Case No. 05046, Scott Kuhn:
Respondent was found guilty in the U.S. District Court for the offense of sale and transporting of illegally killed wildlife, a felony.
NPPC recommendation – suspension for a period of nine months from and after August 19, 2005, the date of his felony conviction. State Board decision – suspension for a period of time, from August 19, 2005, the date of his felony conviction in the U.S. District Court, through August 12, 2006.

We own a ranch 2mi south of Deer Meadows headquarters and I can assure you they shoot small and young bucks. We let our bucks grow to 4 1/2yrs at a minimum and a lot of years we just pass. With Scott in the area we loose a lot of small bucks because he just shoots them at 3 1/2yrs. Now he is tresspassing by putting game cams and deer feed on other ranches he doesn't have access to as well as trying to lease stuff out from under other people who do their own hunting. He even came in on a ranch I lease and pulled the hunting rights away from me. Now he drives around and knocks my grass down and disturbs my cattle. On top of that he was fired/asked to leave from his job as a girls basketball coach for undisclosed reasons. Now do the math and you can draw your own conclusions.

He'll use whatever it takes to get a sale. He doesn't care if he gets repeats cause if he did he'd manage the deer like the rest of us in this immediate area do.

Interesting read there too. He doesn't own the house/lodge,it belongs to a relative of mine who he rents it from. On top of that he doesn't have anywhere near 350,000 acres.

http://www.addictedtotheoutdoors.com...=500&width=700

Ya'll got to be careful about how you use these public forums. I personally don't know this fella a from atom but do know there could be legal ramifications if some discrestion isn't used. Just be careful guys :)

Excellent spot and stalk hunt
 

Excellent spot and stalk hunt
In September of last year (21012) I bow hunted with Deer Meadows for the first time. I had a great time and highly recommend hunting with Scott and Deer Meadows Outfitters.
Deer Meadows delivered a quality archery hunt and has mature trophy Mule Deer on their properties. The hunt was everything Scott promised when I booked it. On day 1 Scott reviewed the rules and made a point of telling us, we only shoot mature bucks here. We were introduced to our guides, asked to shoot our bows to help them judge our proficiency at different yardages, then had dinner. The next morning we were in the hills hunting. We saw over 20 deer that morning including five bucks two were shooters. We hunted hard for the entire 5 days. I had a great time with Scott, Jeremy and Dustin. Both Jeremy and Dustin are knowledgeable, energetic, totally addicted to hunting and lots of fun. They worked hard to find and put us onto good bucks. I want to thank Jeremy for making this an exciting and successful hunt. I took an estimated 6 year old Mule deer on the last day of the hunt. I had such a good time last year I recently booked another hunt for October of this year.

Nathan
Hesston, Kansas

Deer Meadows Outfitters
 

My Name is Steve from Pennsylvania. I just did a $5,000 mule deer archery hunt with Scott. My Second day of my hunt. 35 yards from 190" mule deer, my guide stopped me from shooting. That night at camp Scott tells me that was a buck that they wanted to save for breeding purposes. Scott also said don't worry we will put you on a better deer by the end of the week. Well by Friday I only saw 2 other bucks...140 class deer . Friday night Scott says he will refund my hunt, but calling him lately, he doesn't return my phone calls, and I don't think he is going to refund anything!!

Are there any other hunters that hunted with Scott and were not allowed to shoot a mature buck and didn’t see anything the rest of their hunt? Please call me to discuss. 724-970-5870

He'd have to knock me out to keep me from pulling the trigger. His job is to put you on good deer. Once he did that, you didn't need him anymore.

Truth is, he saved the deer for a client who paid more, or himself.

None of this sounds like anything I'd call hunting. It's a cold day in hell when I'd pay a guy thousands of bucks to take me out on his ranch and then tell me what deer I could shoot or not shoot.

Deer meadows owner Scott is a liar he told me before we left he would work something out not to worry. While I have called texted and emailed this guy with no response. It sure wasn't like that when I was booking this hunt. I only saw 3 bucks one was a shooter but I wasn't allowed to shoot? Wasted 5000 dollars drove 1500 miles lost 2 weekends and a weeks vacation time . It's one thing going on a pricie hunt and not seeing much but to go to deer meadows and seeing a trophy and not being allowed to shot OMG...

You're more patient than i'd be. I've never paid for a hunt, but if I did. I wouldn't put up with that bull.

Believe it or not, this type of thing is pretty common in TX. There is very, very little public land for hunting in TX, so people either have to own the land outright, pay for a lease, or go with outfitters. On many places, they are extremely protective of their big deer. They want you to take "management" bucks and does and leave the bigger bucks for wealthy hunters or to let them breed until they begin to decline.

I remember reading an article a couple of years ago where a guy refused to abide by the "ranch rules" and shot a monster. The land owner filed a lawsuit and won in court. The court said that despite the fact that the state had issued a license, the land owner had the right to dictate what he would allow to be shot on his private property. Just proves tha hunting in TX is a vastly different beast than hunting in your Wy or my CO.

I clearly see the difference and I've heard of this kind of deer killing (I won't call it hunting) before. The term "high fence" played a part in the story. I don't think I'd enjoy that stuff even if I could afford it.

That makes 2 of us. The only time I've ever used a guide was when it was required by law. Unfortunately if you want to hunt Canada, you must hire a guide if you're not a Canadian citizen. Additionally, if you want to hunt Africa, you're going to use a PH of some sort.I did a little hunting for exotics once in TX, but I didn't use a guide. I had access to the ranch, a low fence free ranging outfit, and did the actual hunting on my own. It was a pretty good time but that is as close to the "high fence" TX thing as I want to get.

Other than that, I'll take my chances on my own. If I take game I'll do it my way. If I don't take game, it will be under the same circumstances. But, to each his own.

Yeah, the guide requirement thing has a number of absurd components to it. WY requires a guide to hunt wilderness areas if you are a nonresident. As a resident I can easily get a permit to guide a nonresident friend on wilderness areas but I can't charge for it unless I am a licensed guide/outfitter.
A good friend of mine moved to ND a few years ago from WY to take a job. He lived his whole life here and knows the wilderness areas as well as anyone but his residency is now ND so he can't hunt wilderness areas here without a guide.

Whatever.......

Yeah, I really don't understand the whole guide in a wilderness area. I've done a fair amount of fishing in WY in wilderness areas but I can't hunt deer in the same place? Crazy.

I'd love to hunt Alaska but the things I want (grizzly/brown bear, muskox and Dall Sheep) would require a guide. You can do moose, caribou, black bear and Sitka Blacktail without a guide but not the things I'm interested in.

But chances are, the guy in Texas knew he was supposed to shoot a "management" deer going in (for a lesser price) and got buck fever when the "big-un" walked out. Probably why he lost. That said, I don't agree with allowing land owners to charge "by the inch" on a publicly owned deer. That means it is not hunting, but grocery shopping.

As an interesting sidenote, all deer in Texas (even pen raised deer) are publicly owned. The people who raise deer had a "breeders" license to breed and "sell" them. However the deer have to be "released from captivity" before they can be shot.

Kind of hard to "pull the trigger" on an archery buck if your guide waves his arms

That's basically exactly what happened. They guy's defense was the state sold him a tag and the deer (as you noted) are owned by the state and not the landowner. So in his mind, a state license should have been good for any deer that was legal. He lost in court.

I merely used it as an example that guides refusing to allow clients to shoot a particular deer really isn't something new or rare.

Why pay to hunt Texas, when you can come to Colorado, and hunt for nothing? (not counting tags)

Because some people like to be driven to a stand, shoot a deer, then go back to the lodge for lunch and a drink or two while someone else dresses out their deer.

............... Or so I've heard

The only hunting I've done in TX was on a ranch a buddy's father owned. I hunted blackbuck, aoudad and texas dahl sheep, pics are on my album. This was when no regular seasons were open and all it cost me was the generic license which if I remember was about $50 back then. No guides, we hunted on our own since they owned the spread. Exotics are not considered a game animal and can be hunted year round.

So, for me it was to experience something a little different and to spend time with a pretty good buddy. But, I would never pony up the $$$ they want to hunt trophy whitetails or mulies in TX. You get into some real serious cash when you do that. The hunt I went on was fun, but it isn't something I'd want to do a lot of. But, to each his own. Some guys get really into that sort of thing.

That's fine, but he paid $5000, and didn't get to shoot.

I don't think i've spent $5000 for hunting in the last 20 years, and i've hunted every one of them.

I almost spent 5K on a hunt once. (Alaska)
Instead of that I ponied up another grand and bought a Harley Sportster off a friend.
I've been having fun with that thing for several years now.
Good choice in my opinion.

Yeah, i'd rather spend money on my Jeep.

I can't imagine spending that amount of money and being asked not to shoot. I'd have told em to shove it.

I wouldn't pay 5k for that hunt. I like the challenge of DIY hunting, and don't spend more than it costs for for tags, food and gas.

Those antlers sure are expensive for some people.
The way I was raised was to hunt a big buck or bull for a while but if it didn't look like it was going to happen just fill the freezer with does or a cow elk. No big deal and no expense but tags, gas, and cartridges.
No trophy this season did not equal an unsuccessful season.

I wish we could do that here. We'll have either a bull/buck, or cow/doe tag.

You know what I did like back so many years. If you didn't fill your tag in muzzy season you could use the tag in rifle season. We could hunt the whole state with the ML tag too. Sure wish it was still that way.

Beware or deer meadows
 

I did a hunt with deer meadows thus past October. The owner Scott did a good job of selling the hunt and that's about it. He claimed to have 300,000 plus acres to archery hunt on. That was a lie. His top guide said that most of that property is what they call the Mormon ground and is off limits to archery hunters and available only to certain clients. This is where they shot hook on a heartland bow hunter show. He threw 4 of us onto a tract of ground the first morning where we saw sone good deer. That night we were told we could not hunt there anymore because the lease ran out that day. That makes no sense since we were only the third group of hunters. The next day we were put on a piece of ground that Scott said was unhunted that year. Well as we drove in we see a dead antelope in the middle of the ranch road, my guide let it slip that they were hunting antelope in that ranch and one if the hunters must have shot it. This is what Scott calls virgin ground. This tract of ground was way too small to hunt 4 hunters and by the end of the day all the good deer were blown off of the ranch. I was able to stalk a buck that was in the 180's or so and was not allowed to shoot it because Scott said he wanted it to breed and it was only a three year old. I didn't give them any problems over it and moved on. Two other hunters also had to pass this deer. We'll I just saw on Deer meadows Facebook page that this deer was shot with a gun by a " repeat client". If you look at the pics from year to year you will see that the same guys every year kill big deer and the celebrity hunters. Not many others kill good mature deer and aside from a few select repeat clients that pay more for special treatment deer meadows gets little repeat business. Scott lied about his acreage, accommodations, and everything in-between. He really misrepresented his operation. There is too much bad to write in a thread. His home cooked meals were hot dogs and ground venison in different variations. His field lunches were bite size sinkers and twice bars and cans of Pepsi and mountain dew. His "lodge" was a run down trailer were 4 men with all their hunting gear slept in one room. They do have good deer but he saves the good ones for certain hunters. Even his guides out of frustration finally started to admit these things. If you hunt with this outfitter you will be sorry you wasted your money time and hunting season. I don't mean to be vengeful but I don't want what happened to us to happen to more honest hunters. It would be possible to have a good hunt here if the owner was honest and cared about providing a good experience for all of his hunters but instead he caters to a few big spenders and relies on the tv shows to fool people and sell hunts. I fell for that trick and so did my friends. He told us he was going to give us some money back because of not having enough ground to hunt but after we drove back to Pa he won't return calls and sent an email to my friend that said "no refunds!!!!!". The people that are locals and know of Scott and his operation don't have much good to say about him either. For more info feel free to call 724-557-1200.

I don't understand why you guys leave without your refunds? If he told me I was getting a refund. My hand would be out, and I wouldn't leave without it.

We trusted him. He said he wanted to make it right. He sold himself well. To be clear non if us wanted to oh there and just buy a deer. We expected to hunt hard and possibly go home empty handed. It was an archery spot and stick hunt for free range wild mule deer. It's no gimme hunt especially with deer meadows unless you are one of the hunters in the first groups that pay more and have the deer "reserved ". Even these guys who I'm sure are good hunters themselves definitely have to hunt for these deer. I never met those guys an I'm not bashing them. They are obviously good hunters. Another thing I didn't care for was they way Scott used tubs of distilled corn to bait deer onto his leases and off of neighboring ranches. He gad tubs out trying to pull bucks off of Ted Turners ranch and every other fence line he could. I found myself way to close to the tubs a couple times to be legal and had to suggest we move back. I really didn't care for that. I won't hunt over bait even where it's legal. I don't knock a guy who does so legally bit it's not what I enjoy. The trip was disappointing in every way imaginable. Aside from having some fun with the guides it was a disaster. I just hope that I save some other hunters from this experience.

I wouldn't have trusted anybody that I saw breaking the law with the baiting. That would have shown me right off he was an honest person.

I'd never pay for a hunt, but if I was the type that did. I sure wouldn't be cheated at it. I don't know. Maybe it goes hand in hand. If you're the type who pays for a hunt. You're not the type who can do things for yourself, and can be taken advantage of easily.

Sorry to rag on you, but take control of this. Don't let this jerk take advantage of you.

The way hunting is going nowadays there are a lot of more than "shady" characters getting involved just to make a buck however they can. If I was even thinking of going on an outfitted or guided hunt I would be asking the owner of that operation the names and phone numbers of "EVERY" person that hunted there over the last two or three years, not just ones of his choosing. If they won't do that, right away you should figure that it's not an honest operation. I'd bet that not one of the people on this thread that are bitching about getting taken to the cleaners did that and I will shed no tears for any of them if/when that's the case. Why would anyone pay that kind of money to a "STRANGER" for "ANYTHING" nowadays without doing plenty of research to eliminate any possibility of being swindled the way this world is?!!! For them to get screwed the way some of them are stating and then take the crooks "word" that he will refund their money, etc. and leave the premises without at least the satisfaction of being remunerated boggles my mind. There sure must still be a lot of trusting, naive people in this world, including some of the hunters on this thread that are bitching about beng taken!